Ed and his temper almost killed the entire thing. Guessing he had some sense talked into him, and is treading much more lightly.

Well this is probably one of the most nonsensical, least logical statements posted lately.

Basically, if you can’t have your perfect grand-slam contract complete with your own personal unicorn, you’d rather work under worse rules and pay indefinitely.

I’m on board with the others. It’s not a home run. But I’ll take the triple and advance e forward. Voting yes.

the logical fallacy of entitlement.

Don’t try to understand. It will make your head hurt.

These yes voters are why AA pilots can't have nice things.


Bottom of the barrel sick accrual at 60 hours a year. Don't get the sick hours you've earned until the following year. Can't pick up the remainder of the trip if you call out of any part.

Can't decline RO anymore.

Electronic notification making it easier for the company.

Nothing to fix TTS, red/redder - which is absolutely locked down and won't change.

Many things don't go into effect for 18-36 months.

No penalties if AA misses deadlines.

No snap up.

No two pilot requirement in the contract.



Just to name a few. We were promised QOL, it isn't there. At all. What you get is a pay raise thanks to Delta stepping up industry pay. Biggest hiring boom ever. Largest numbers of retirements ever. If we vote no AA will have to come to the table quickly because they can't afford to let everyone else hire all the qualified applicants as the rest get their new contracts. We'll get stuck with the flows who can't get hired anywhere else and have no choice but waiting their turn.


So quick to cave in and accept anything thrown your way. It's pathetic.

Ah yes, our employment conditions are so dire and awful. How do we manage to go to work every day?

All sarcasm aside…I think it’s fantasy to believe if we vote no, then AA will come running to us to settle on these items. Bottom line is we have no shortage of applicants. And even SWA, which is losing people left and right, has remained stubborn and refuses to settle their negotiations. You really do think AA will cave to your demands? It’s highly unlikely they will. Voting no will only drag this out even longer for marginal or no real gains.

What do you mean by you don’t get your sick time you’ve earned until the following year?

Not trying to be rude, but you really ought to educate yourself on what’s in this TA. You’re mad and disappointed yet half the stuff you said isn’t even right. You’ll be happier and healthier if you bother to learn the facts first instead of glancing at something and instinctually taking to APC or social media to air your grievances.

Just saying.

Also don't forget back pay. I calculated out to just over $80k.

I don't understand the position of voting no because you are happy with the current contract. By the time we'd finish arbitration, we'll be halfway through his new contract. Good luck getting 18-24 months of back pay after it's turned down.

We earn 5 hours per month sick time. However, that sick time isn't awarded on a monthly basis. After working Jan - March we don't have 15 hours sick time come April. We get a lump sum 60 hours the following January for what we earned the previous year. And the (current) 15 hours fronted to newbs gets deducted down the road so you don't get 60 hours for the year, only 45.

DAL and UAL both have shown that TA gets shot down, Union leadership receives new direction (and some misguided folks have to go back to flying the line) and TA 2 comes about 12 months later with a boatload of more improvements.