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Arado 234 07-20-2023 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Setspeed (Post 3669652)
Quick, someone tell us to get our financial house in order

Damn, you beat me to it. Time to sell that Miata sports car!

Arado 234 07-20-2023 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Icaruss (Post 3669453)
You should write for The Economist.

Reminds me of YT where people have been predicting this for the last year or more.

El Peso 07-20-2023 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Montcalm (Post 3669613)
We found the love child of El Peso and Excargodog.

And I’d hate to see the procreation abomination that you’re the result of 🤮

BrazilBusDriver 07-23-2023 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by Setspeed (Post 3669652)
Quick, someone tell us to get our financial house in order

Yeah, but hasn't AA done exactly just that over the last year or so? Or were you referring to the personal finance angle?

hockeypilot44 07-23-2023 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3669376)

How much did this beat Delta by?

Al Czervik 07-24-2023 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by Supermoto (Post 3669468)
If I did, I would write VOTE YES!.

You didn’t need to spell that out. We got it.

nene 07-24-2023 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver (Post 3671420)
Yeah, but hasn't AA done exactly just that over the last year or so? Or were you referring to the personal finance angle?

It's undetected sarcasm.....for as long as this industry has been in existence the pilot ranks have suffered through strikes and/or furloughs. As long as that has been the case there is always someone quick to tell everyone to "get their financial house in order", hence the sarcasm of saying that when AA is finally making a decent profit.

Name User 07-24-2023 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Supermoto (Post 3669447)
The stock market hit record highs 3 months before the Great Financial Crisis in 2008. Similar to the dot com bust in 2001, and the previous recession... and the previous.... Where will we be in 6-12 months? Nobody knows, but smart money (insiders, CEOs, executives) are selling off at record rates while retail investors with a 1 month outlook are piling in right now.... just like every time before. But this time is different right?

I am likely one of the most pessimistic people when it comes to economic thinking on the planet. The 2008 financial crisis will never happen again.

Let me rephrase. The US Government / Federal Reserve will never let what happened in 2008 as far as unemployment/massive foreclosures happen again. They learned from the event, and used that knowledge to stop what would've happened in 2020 with covid w/ 25%+ unemployment.

It's not politically feasible to allow for large scale unemployment. Inflation is a far easier pill to swallow.

7 of 8 recessions have been preceded by a runup in energy prices. If you see energy (read: gasoline) hitting $6/gal, economic cuts will begin. But keep in mind, even at that level, gas is well below its economic peak.

It peaked around $4.00/gal in 2008 which is approximately $6.00/gal in 2023. However, cars get almost 50% better gas mileage as a median than they did back then, when most of the cars sold were large SUVs getting 20 mpg or under (remember the Excursion? LOL). So the reality is, until they hit ~$9.00/gal, we're not where we were back then as far as gasoline taking that big of a bite out of household budgets.

Obviously, if expensive gas is not accompanied by an increase in economic activity, airlines will suffer greatly. Generally, the two are correlated (higher economic activity = higher gasoline demand/prices). This "recession" being talked about for over a year - I've never been concerned, mostly because it's always been something that happens out of left field no one sees coming vs a planned event.

Even if energy prices increase substantially, if we get to the point where it will cause pain on the American consumer - look to government "gas card" subsidies, mortgage moratoriums similar to the student loan deal, etc.

Dunkin 07-24-2023 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3671675)
I am likely one of the most pessimistic people when it comes to economic thinking on the planet. The 2008 financial crisis will never happen again.

Let me rephrase. The US Government / Federal Reserve will never let what happened in 2008 as far as unemployment/massive foreclosures happen again. They learned from the event, and used that knowledge to stop what would've happened in 2020 with covid w/ 25%+ unemployment.

It's not politically feasible to allow for large scale unemployment. Inflation is a far easier pill to swallow.

7 of 8 recessions have been preceded by a runup in energy prices. If you see energy (read: gasoline) hitting $6/gal, economic cuts will begin. But keep in mind, even at that level, gas is well below its economic peak.

It peaked around $4.00/gal in 2008 which is approximately $6.00/gal in 2023. However, cars get almost 50% better gas mileage as a median than they did back then, when most of the cars sold were large SUVs getting 20 mpg or under (remember the Excursion? LOL). So the reality is, until they hit ~$9.00/gal, we're not where we were back then as far as gasoline taking that big of a bite out of household budgets.

Obviously, if expensive gas is not accompanied by an increase in economic activity, airlines will suffer greatly. Generally, the two are correlated (higher economic activity = higher gasoline demand/prices). This "recession" being talked about for over a year - I've never been concerned, mostly because it's always been something that happens out of left field no one sees coming vs a planned event.

Even if energy prices increase substantially, if we get to the point where it will cause pain on the American consumer - look to government "gas card" subsidies, mortgage moratoriums similar to the student loan deal, etc.

Good points. Also the mergers have finally allowed the airlines to pass on increased gas prices to the consumers vs 2008. Airlines today could still be profitable at $150 oil, esp Delta/United/AA since their average passenger has a higher income than the LCC pax. Retiring boomers have a ton of wealth that they will be spending on travel in the next 10 years.

Name User 07-25-2023 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 3671968)
Good points. Also the mergers have finally allowed the airlines to pass on increased gas prices to the consumers vs 2008. Airlines today could still be profitable at $150 oil, esp Delta/United/AA since their average passenger has a higher income than the LCC pax. Retiring boomers have a ton of wealth that they will be spending on travel in the next 10 years.

Agree 100% with the consolidation as well

Like I said I am pessimistic but even I feel like things are going to be pretty good for a while. The amount of movement is going to really help morale out.


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