Contract Supplement
 

So what is the current plan now? Are we still voting next week with hopefully a supplement to the contract? Not sure if there is a mechanism to pull the whole contract without us voting it down.

Vote opens, we all immediately vote no. Let them earn it back to a yes, and if we’re so inclined, we change it before it closes. Real simple.

What I got out of Bobby Ice's interview is that he is going to match the pay and get it out ASAP. Doesn't look like he is interested in offering much more. He seemed to imply that if "they" want to push for more he's willing to draw it out as long as necessary. Of course he knows, the longer this draws out, the less he is going to have to pay in total. He's happy either way.

Remain squarely in 3rd place and close the gap as little as possible to get a yes vote. Allow Fox News to scare the majority of the pilots 3rd place is good enough because the economy will melt down.

Is this the earnings’ interview?

Yes
filler

NO, every AIP that has come out has cost him more and more. Had we taken the 1st AIP he would have saved a ton.

He would be wise to put at least 5 good LOAs on the bottom of this TA if he wants it to pass and save himself more money.

Hence why he did just that...
Pay rate, amendable date, retro, rsv day, sick day

Source?

More words

Rumor in multiple spots. Probably enough to get this thing passed if true.

My father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.

There are some hardcore “yes” voters claiming Isom added the above, but evil/incompetent APA is surrendering to the “no” voters, turning the extra offer down, driving a no vote overall or just cancelling it outright, and going to mediation in a recession and won’t do any better in the long run and the sky is falling.

Meanwhile, there are some hardcore “no” voters claiming Isom added the above, but evil/incompetent APA is surrendering to the “yes” voters, rolling over and taking the extras without fixing any of the TA, leading to a yes vote overall and we will be stuck in third place forever and the sky is falling.

That wins the internet.

nailed it.

Edit:

Ive tried being moderate and objective on the Line. It’s impossible. The never yes and always yes lose their ****.

On the Line the always yes crowd rarely expose themselves and when they do, the NO'ers converge on them like someone dropped a honey covered caterpillar on an ant pile. Ruthless.

We must read a different “The Line.”

The always yes crowd somehow manages to be more obnoxious than the never no crowd. Same few folks constantly screaming to take whatever is offered.

You sure must be reading a different line.

"Never no"? So always yes? Because that's what never no means. Maybe you meant "always no."

Fresh off the press:This afternoon, in response to our demands, management responded with a comprehensive proposal designed to bring closure to negotiations and maintain the membership voting schedule to the extent possible.

Management made proposals in many areas to include the following:

• Snap-up to match Delta/United pay rates after the Delta snap-up triggers
• Future wage increases accelerated to take effect every January 1
• Ratification bonus of 21% to fill the retro hole January-April 2023 based on longevity and seat on May 2, 2023
• 401(k) acceleration of increase to January 2024
• Increase in international override to $7/$5
• Increase in per diem to domestic $2.85/international $3.40
• Extended sick leave bank pre-loaded to 120 hours and accruing 4 hours per month in addition to previous accrual
• Medical freedom protections
• Max un-augmented duty day lesser of 13 hours or FAR 117 table B minus 30’
• Reserve “show, no go” pay increase to 5 hours
• 2-hour OG incentive for reserves volunteering to show and subsequently assigned prior to 1000 on day 1
• Hotel guarantees for reassignments outside original sequence footprint with no opportunity to commute to home of record that calendar day
• Maximum duty periods in sequence not to exceed number of calendar days
• Increase in life insurance coverage to $750,000 regardless of age
  
  I think everyone owes our brothers and sisters over at United/ALPA a head nod in the terminals and maybe even a beer at the hotel bar.
  

Put some lipstick on it and whisper “That’ll do pig. That’ll do.”

Perfect, now I can eat.

Thanks for nothing

American is the “is Pepsi OK?” of legacies.

I apologize on behalf of me and my coworkers for making you and the other Delta gods feel that way. We’ll try harder from now on.

Some day you’ll learn how pattern bargaining works.

What AA is offering to include:

• Snap-up to match Delta/United pay rates after the Delta snap-up triggers
• Future wage increases accelerated to take effect every January 1
• Ratification bonus of 21% to fill the retro hole January-April 2023 based on longevity and seat on May 2, 2023
• 401(k) acceleration of increase to January 2024
• Increase in international override to $7/$5
• Increase in per diem to domestic $2.85/international $3.40
• Extended sick leave bank pre-loaded to 120 hours and accruing 4 hours per month in addition to previous accrual
• Medical freedom protections
• Max un-augmented duty day lesser of 13 hours or FAR 117 table B minus 30’
• Reserve “show, no go” pay increase to 5 hours
• 2-hour OG incentive for reserves volunteering to show and subsequently assigned prior to 1000 on day 1
• Hotel guarantees for reassignments outside original sequence footprint with no opportunity to commute to home of record that calendar day
• Maximum duty periods in sequence not to exceed number of calendar days
• Increase in life insurance coverage to $750,000 regardless of age

So if I read that right, you match the rates that DAL/UAL would achieve after the UAL increase triggers DAL's snap up. No increase for you beyond that that would trigger another round of snap ups?

Can't even find one, tiny penny to exceed the UAL/DAL final snapped rates. You're welcome, I guess.

thats APA for ya

LOL. That’s been the thing pretty much everyone has commented on. Not one, but TWO chances to beat the rates that Delta and United set forth and all y’all can do is just match them.

And we think you should at least make an attempt to exceed the lifting DAL and UAL have done.

the only way WE can do is by voting. Unfortunately we have APA. And to some we can’t do much. It’s unfortunate. And why we want to get ALPA in because APA won’t ever get that for US.

If only we had you on the NC to convince AA to agree it an extra 1%. The NMB would not push the company towards more either. So please explain to us how you would convince them to give us more $…….I like our contract more than Delta’s with our IMAX language.

You mean like the 3% amendable date raise that found its way into the United deal?

What percentage of AA’s pilots utilize IMAX as a benefit?

7%. What percentage of AA pilots COULD utilize imax as a benefit?

honestly that’s on them. I’m on the path to IMAX and I’m just hitting my first year.

Lol. Didn’t have to work hard for that one.

I’m glad a lot of parts of our contract lag so 7% can IMAX.

Brilliant!

Go to Delta or United then, I’ll enjoy my 3 months off a year averaging over 100 hrs credit here.

ACE, I don’t want to get into it with you again but you have this terrible habit of downplaying everything that you don’t use or care to use. Then blowing out of proportion tiny things that are important to you, like declining RO.