I don’t blame them. I blame our union and company for not having air tight language, and the brain dead arbitrator.

Prolly cause the FAs aren’t unionized

Would you like the regional guys to salute you too?


First come first served seems to make logical sense

Also relying on jump seat is kinda pretty stupid


Thinking of the 20yr seniority 300lb 121 CA melt down over this in his orthopedic shoes kinda makes me giggle

We have more then wholly owned carriers flying our Regional lift. So another strike again the horrible generalization of "Eagle". Again, being out of touch.

meh, if you’re going to put your name across the side of their planes and make them say “thanks for flying American” might as well let them have the same crappy dead seat as a actual American Airlines guy 🤷‍♂️


As someone who flys in the back of these things for work, I’ve had less broke down planes with eagle vs American, so priorities might need to be adjusted

Yup it’s ridiculous. And it sounds like FAs bad service is tanking the new 787 premium product too.

Number one complaint I hear from passengers is unfriendly service from FAs. Some are great, but it’s always a gamble. No quality control

This is also due to running the absolute bare minimum staff for the WB flights. So some blame on the company there too.

But I do want to piggyback with what else has been said and say that it’s ridiculous that we have another work group here that is actively negotiating OUR negotiated benefits away because “me too.” Also, trying to hold up an argument that it’s our fault, not an FAA mandate, that we won’t let them occupy the FDJ because we’re greedy pilots.

Management is loving it and playing us all like fiddles. Let’s also not forget when mgmt tried to get us to do the mechanics jobs too, thankfully both unions shut that down quick.

I understand how this is a terrible set up. But I don't get why everyone wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I wish it was seniority based, but only 48h prior. This prevents seniority jerks from screwing you over last min. But honors seniority. The company wouldn't be where it was without them here, they deserve it.

When I'm senior, i woul love to book a flight 3 days prior and see where im at on the list. Knowing the only ones who can get ahead of me is D1 if I used a D2, or if I used my D1, I know its mine as long as no rev pax show up.

But giving 20 or 30 years to a company, being unable to legally check in (due to operating and making money for the comoany....) and some desk jockey gets a spot before me is just as BS as a purely seniority based system.

But if no one reserved a spot 24h prior, then it should be check in time.

That gives those flying an opportunity to check in 30h or 48h prior (or sometime before takeoff).

That would make a lot more sense, and would be great.

I posted that sad tale above because that exact thing happens at UA. I would even put in a JS request 5-7 days earlier to broadcast my intent, and the same Dbags would show up 30 mins prior to bump me at their convenience.

and the contractors are a lower priority than company D1, D2, & D3’s so their check in time is meaningless except to other contractors. A non issue there

You win. You’re the most in-touch and smartest of everyone ever.

Merry what ever holiday/feeling/season you subscribe to.

been there done that. The AA system is much better,although I’m no longer commuting and have only NRSA once,just AA20 these days 🤷🏽‍♂️

The same can be said about seniority based non-rev privileges; the old "I dare someone junior to me get a seat first". There are no perfect system, but AA has a decent system in place, despite some flaws.

I once got bumped out of the JS while trying to commute home on the last flight of the night. Nobody else was listed, so Iwas in the actual. We were ready to close and the gate agent came down with paperwork. Then I heard another voice: "sorry man, I need the jump." Turn around to discover a WBCA standing there. "When did you list?!?!" I stammered. "About one minute ago," he replied.

The CA of the flight, to his great credit, gave the WB guy a ****ed off look and then turned to me. "As far as I'm concerned, the jumpseat is yours," and turns to the now-red-faced WBCA. "Captain, next time, you might want to list more than a minute before the door closes."

I was still on probation, so I thanked the CA , grabbed my bag, and told the WBCA "it's all yours...
Captain." Spent the night in a hotel.

We really need some kind of cutoff at UAL for JS listing. 30 minutes prior to push, perhaps ? Not one minute, as is the current policy. These super senior guys pull this nonsense frequently

fight for a single seniority list then

they are your company

actually they are

They are employees of the American Airlines Group (AAG), not American Airlines the subsidiary.

This level of semantics is ridiculous.

Would you say Endeavor pilots work for Delta?

Yes, but even if you disagree, what’s your point?

My biased opinion is that the current system good. When I was on probation and commuting, it would have been 100X more stressful not knowing if I would be bumped at the last minute and get a commuter miss. If you are senior and still commuting, it's by choice, (vs temporary situation until you can hold a different base), you probably aren't worried about a commuter miss, and the cost of a revenue ticket or hotel is less significant to you. Also, I think the FAs and gate agents would be the real winners if we switched over to a seniority system, unless we negotiated a carve out but then we would end up with shoe polish on our seatbelts and curly hair in our coffee.

Despite some of the bizarre complaints in this thread, I think there are very few people at AA who have any interest in changing our current system. I really don’t see that being a threat.

Slight change of topic since this thread was pointless complaining about a non-broken system.

AA bought 9.7 mil shares of Republic, that's 20.8% of the company. Three wholly own airlines apparently wasn't enough.

They are just buying up a position so current share holders UAL and DAL can’t screw with the regional feed.