Nah that could never happen. See what happens if you implement those limitations is “wAcK a MoLe” is initiated and without any evidence whatever other than “tRuSt Me BrO” our pairings would only decline further.

Yes, obviously.

I know you like to play the butthurt snarky AA guy on here, but there's a reason quite a few DAL/UA guys are telling you why EDP and sit made a difference.

There's not some secret cabal of APC people trying to lie. Those two provisions genuinely changed pairings for the better. The long sits and double duty days all but vanished in a matter of a month or two.

First, that was an honest question. Second, I’ve been one the biggest advocates for EDP. Third, you’re an idiot, but I shouldn’t be surprised by the aggressive response. You have several years worth of confrontational posts with just about everyone.

Do I need to show you my pay stubs? I don't have my iPad in front of me, but I'm pretty sure it's in the compass docs on the topic of reserve. If you do not break guarantee the sit pay is absorbed. Show-no-go pay is also absorbed.

Pot, meet kettle. Just two posts ago, you used reddit spelling to imply that there is no way your guy's pairings could get better after multiple people told you that they absolutely could. All of those posts, including mine, were trying to relay that changes in our soft pay rules made huge differences in QoL for the pilots.

But hey, all good man. Keep being butthurt and snarky, I'm sure it'll work out for you one day.

You’re embarrassing yourself now. You might want to read that post again—clearly you have comprehension issues. This is what happens when you assume everything as confrontational. I think you need to take your own advice and go touch some grass.

That's all you have? Lol.

No Sir, you are incorrect and making stuff up. YourUnion caved on this issue with the company and SIT for reserves is in fact NOT above guarantee. Contact your representative for more details.

I’ll say a prayer for your significant other.

You’re completely wrong on both of these. I just looked at a reserve month from last year where my PROJ was 53:00 and I got paid above guarantee for both sit time and show no-go.

15-59. Q: A Reserve has an actual sit time of three (3) hours. How is the Section 15.E.2 sit time paid?

A: The Reserve will be paid fifteen (15) minutes above guarantee.

Straight from the contract. You guys are morons.

Isn't sit time paid over guarantee?

Wow. Calling your fellow pilots morons when you are incorrect does not reflect highly upon you as an aviator. Read this APA negotiating committee update from 12/22/2023. Specifically paragraph 4. Sorry to make your long sits suck knowing you aren’t earning any extra $$.

https://www.alliedpilots.org/Service...rticleId=11955

I'm extremely confused on why the contract on the APA site isn't corrected then. I posted the same thing a few pages back:

EDIT: This is only about OG or PR, not awarded flying.

https://i.ibb.co/mFqgZ8nD/image.png

the date on that page of the APA contract is Jan 2026:

https://i.ibb.co/Z6tzfvbF/image.png

On the Compass Project docs, under Pay & Compensation -> Duty Rigs, dated Aug 2025:

https://i.ibb.co/zhcHsCRh/image.png

incompetence?

Sit time is definitely not paid above reserve guarantee.

Don’t know what to tell you. I’ve got the paystub to prove it.

You got lucky.

Sit for reserves is paid above guarentee only if you break 73/76hrs

Paystubs still show the SIT pay, but it is absorbed into your reserve guarantee unless you go over it. They make it very confusing on your paystubs so it seems like you are getting it but you really aren't. If you did get it and not misreading your paystub then you just got lucky as the other poster said.

Add the numbers, if operational is less than 73/76 then that sit time is added to operational and min guarantee adj to make the total 73/76.

No it is not.

So I've learned. This is by far the most difficult contract I've been under. This is my third carrier. You know, a lotta ins, a lotta outs, a lotta what-have-yous. And, uh, a lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's head.

Whether it's above guarantee or absorbed into (for reserves), can we all agree that our long duty days > 10 hrs, and bad sit rig are bad and we need the EDP rig?

I agree. APA folks will certainly spin it as like some magic pill that will kill imax or something.

APU has killed IMAX

If you head to the line, folks are super ****ed about it. Ready to sharpen their pitchforks in the name of seniority. I find it funny because it was something unimplemented in an AA contract pre-2013 US Airways merger.

Anyways, it has been 2 days. How exactly has APU killed imax?

I want EDP for us.

I want shorter sits for us.

Im not touching APU. If its good for us, let's keep it. If it sucks, Ill support getting rid of it.

Basically all the cherry 1-1's with DHs go to any seniority level inside three hours, which is generally when they come up.

I don't find it funny that a #15000 pilot gets an easy 1-1 over an 8000 FO because their fingers are faster, I get this board skews heavily junior but you guys won't be for long. In 3-4 years it will be you moaning about how the new hires are picking up all the nice trips.

This even has the possibility of making senior FOs upgrade now that they don't have seniority advantages. The law of unintended consequences and all that.

I don't totally understand what APU solved in todays' world, now that we have ECS/DOTC etc. APU was solving the issue where CS would have to call everyone on the list to see who wanted to fly and that could take hours, and people putting 1 min notification times on their ballots, which was just changed to 1 hour min. It was a solution for yesterdays' problems.

With DOTC which can be run automagically without even input from CS, against ballots for everyone, I just don't see the point personally and degrades everyone's QOL. Instead of chilling and getting a notification you got a trip that meets your requirements, you have to be on your phone actively holding it to have a chance of getting an APU trip. Most are gone before everyone in the bid status even gets the notification, which is another issue.

I don't IMAX for the record.

Sounds like the senior folks got us into this mess. I do not want to spend an ounce of negotiating capital to get out of it. Much more important things needs to be fixed.

See that's the great thing about it, no need. We just stop using it and go back to DOTC. Problem solved.

Which is fine but you will never get everybody to stop using it. The company would need to shut it off and if the company is starting to see APU work to their benefit they are going to ask for something in return to shut it off. Unlike Delta and United, our Union has shown us that we cannot make any significant gains in QOL provisions without giving something up.

Didnt alot of people complain how PM is slanted towards senior pilots? Would APU be an equalizer aka the DAL 'Green Slip' way to make it "fair"?, some advocated for?

Outside DOTC will still churn plenty, normal ops, and the more senior ballot wins out for the fly out, DH home 1-1s.

I don't think senior FOs will use APU, that hasn't really done anything yet, as a factor to upgrade; I know I sure as heck won't be.

It could be one of the best things to ever happen. Now both the union reps and senior folks will actually start caring about Section 6 of the contract because they can’t dump all their straight pay—low soft time awarded pairings for the cupcake high soft time trips that were only awarded in DOTC in seniority order.

Nah, it’s now going to make the process of IMAXing more fatiguing for the senior. They’ll now have to fly their awarded trips more often and pick up the low soft time pairings in TTS. In other words, they’re going to be required to fly the pairings that were negotiated in section 6 like everyone else.

perhaps true. And subsequently not drop/trade their good PBS awarded trips to those of us down lower on the food chain :(

Yup, possibly. As someone who utilizes TTS to trade most of my awarded pairings in PBS, this could be a blessing in disguise. We need better pairings limitations, everyone knows it.

Not an APA fan but they did fix this issue with the "line check pilot" in 2023. The company refuses to implement it.

APA not doing anything about the company's refusal is a separate issue :D

Yup. Many wanted this here. APA knew better. Now going into negotiations the company now has a better reason to high cost this provision.

The "data" was "but but but ACD." No one wants to go back to the world before ACD when a 1-1 transcon with a 24 hour overnight paid 10.8 hours. At the end of the day the company is going to find a way to save the most money possible on whatever provision we negotiate. That shouldn't stop us from getting good things in the contract.

The scheduling committee has enormous power at APA.