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Name User 04-13-2026 07:03 AM
Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 4022797)
The "data" was "but but but ACD." No one wants to go back to the world before ACD when a 1-1 transcon with a 24 hour overnight paid 10.8 hours. At the end of the day the company is going to find a way to save the most money possible on whatever provision we negotiate. That shouldn't stop us from getting good things in the contract.

The scheduling committee has enormous power at APA.
And yet ACD created other issues people complain about such as more legs per trip and additional turns on the last day.

Just like anything there are unintended consequences, do you know what they would be if we implemented this provision?

No one is against it, they are against implementing it without knowing what will happen to schedules, and making a pro/con list.

echo892 04-13-2026 07:08 AM
Simple question: will pay for >10hr duty day lead to more 4day trips?

If so, why?

Beech Dude 04-13-2026 07:34 AM
Originally Posted by echo892 (Post 4022819)
Simple question: will pay for >10hr duty day lead to more 4day trips?

If so, why?
No; as long as we keep or make better our trip construction rules.

As it sits now, I'd say we see more 2 and 3 day sequences instead of more 4 days.

ACEssXfer 04-13-2026 08:25 AM
Originally Posted by Name User (Post 4022816)
And yet ACD created other issues people complain about such as more legs per trip and additional turns on the last day.

Just like anything there are unintended consequences, do you know what they would be if we implemented this provision?

No one is against it, they are against implementing it without knowing what will happen to schedules, and making a pro/con list.
They've had close to 3 years. How long is the list?

echo892 04-13-2026 08:47 AM
Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 4022843)
No; as long as we keep or make better our trip construction rules.

As it sits now, I'd say we see more 2 and 3 day sequences instead of more 4 days.
Why?

filler

rockelino 04-13-2026 09:17 AM
Originally Posted by echo892 (Post 4022819)
Simple question: will pay for >10hr duty day lead to more 4day trips?

If so, why?
No, it's a false narrative spread by APA. Why would the company want to pay for extra hotels, pre-arranged limos and per diem?

On the other hand - plenty of commuters here prefer to fly 3, 4 and even 5 day trips.

Name User 04-13-2026 09:47 AM
Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 4022843)
No; as long as we keep or make better our trip construction rules.

As it sits now, I'd say we see more 2 and 3 day sequences instead of more 4 days.
Isn't that why the company asked for Delta trip construction rules? More 5-day trips were the issue.

Beech Dude 04-13-2026 09:57 AM
Originally Posted by echo892 (Post 4022888)
Why?

filler
No real limits on how many 3-days the company can make mainly.

I think it'd be easier to take sequences and break them out to make more productive 2-day trips, more 3-3 types, to stay under 10 hrs then stretch out to 4-days and incur all the additional RIG, Hotel, Per Diem costs, and low operational probability of completing the whole 4 or 5 day sequence.


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