Frequent Fliers bailing out // NPR story
09-28-2012, 05:23 AM
#1
Works Every Weekend
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 737 ATL
Posts: 3,506
AA Frequent Fliers bailing out // NPR story
.
National Public Radio . . . All Things Considered
.
American Airlines Fliers Fed Up As Labor Clash Rages : NPR
.
National Public Radio . . . All Things Considered
.
American Airlines Fliers Fed Up As Labor Clash Rages : NPR
.
Last edited by Check Essential; 09-28-2012 at 06:02 AM.
09-28-2012, 05:47 AM
#2
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
"We're talking about write-ups for things like broken coffee pots, inoperative passenger reading lights and torn seat pockets that are causing delays. They're calling maintenance out to have those things checked and are causing delays. And those were up more than 34 percent," American spokesman Bruce Hicks says.
And I suppose they NEVER did this before Bruce? Or does AMR encourage flying around with broke equipment? Should pilots not write up a broken cabin light? What if it's inoperative because of a faulty wire? That faulty wire could lead to an in flight fire. Does AMR encourage cutting corners at the expense of their passenger's safety Bruce?
What a clown. It's about time these sorry excuses for managers find out just how much pilots keep the operation running. Stand stong Ladies & Gentleman.
And I suppose they NEVER did this before Bruce? Or does AMR encourage flying around with broke equipment? Should pilots not write up a broken cabin light? What if it's inoperative because of a faulty wire? That faulty wire could lead to an in flight fire. Does AMR encourage cutting corners at the expense of their passenger's safety Bruce?
What a clown. It's about time these sorry excuses for managers find out just how much pilots keep the operation running. Stand stong Ladies & Gentleman.
09-28-2012, 06:57 AM
#3
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by johnso29
"We're talking about write-ups for things like broken coffee pots, inoperative passenger reading lights and torn seat pockets that are causing delays. They're calling maintenance out to have those things checked and are causing delays. And those were up more than 34 percent," American spokesman Bruce Hicks says.
And I suppose they NEVER did this before Bruce? Or does AMR encourage flying around with broke equipment? Should pilots not write up a broken cabin light? What if it's inoperative because of a faulty wire? That faulty wire could lead to an in flight fire. Does AMR encourage cutting corners at the expense of their passenger's safety Bruce?
What a clown. It's about time these sorry excuses for managers find out just how much pilots keep the operation running. Stand stong Ladies & Gentleman.
And I suppose they NEVER did this before Bruce? Or does AMR encourage flying around with broke equipment? Should pilots not write up a broken cabin light? What if it's inoperative because of a faulty wire? That faulty wire could lead to an in flight fire. Does AMR encourage cutting corners at the expense of their passenger's safety Bruce?
What a clown. It's about time these sorry excuses for managers find out just how much pilots keep the operation running. Stand stong Ladies & Gentleman.
Don't have a list of all possible instances, but many of these are cabin write-ups that F/A's notify the pilot's of during the boarding process. Can they legally disregard these, if they are brought to the captains attention ?
Not going to go into specifics, but from my observation, many of these claims aren't really accurate and in many, many cases the situation was not simply a pilot making "frivolous" maintenance issues.
Last edited by eaglefly; 09-28-2012 at 07:19 AM. Reason: Missing word
09-28-2012, 07:04 AM
#4
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Originally Posted by eaglefly
I think ole' Bruce is slanting many facts to support his claims. What do expect of a Lorenzo man ?
Don't have a list of all possible instances, but many of these are cabin write-ups that F/A's notify the pilot's of during the boarding process. Can they legally disregard these, if they are brought to the captains attention ?
Not going to go into specifics, but from my observation, many of these claims aren't really accurate and in many, many cases the situation was simply a pilot making "frivolous" maintenance issues.
Don't have a list of all possible instances, but many of these are cabin write-ups that F/A's notify the pilot's of during the boarding process. Can they legally disregard these, if they are brought to the captains attention ?
Not going to go into specifics, but from my observation, many of these claims aren't really accurate and in many, many cases the situation was simply a pilot making "frivolous" maintenance issues.
It absolutely has to be addressed. I agree with you. I think the public needs to know AMR would rather have you fly around with broken equipment with a blatant disregard for safety and following government mandated regulations.
09-28-2012, 07:09 AM
#5
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 145
I certainly wouldn't fly around with any inoperative equipment, regardless of how minor, without getting maintenance involved and having the item deferred in accordance with the MEL/CDL. AMR isn't going to protect their employees when the FAA comes with enforcement action for a FAR violation like this.
I wouldn't risk getting violated over a reading light or coffee pot!!
I wouldn't risk getting violated over a reading light or coffee pot!!
09-28-2012, 07:10 AM
#6
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Originally Posted by machj
i certainly wouldn't fly around with any inoperative equipment, regardless of how minor, without getting maintenance involved and having the item deferred in accordance with the mel/cdl. Amr isn't going to protect their employees when the faa comes with enforcement action for a far violation like this.
I wouldn't risk getting violated over a reading light or coffee pot!!
I wouldn't risk getting violated over a reading light or coffee pot!!
09-28-2012, 07:25 AM
#7
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by MachJ
I certainly wouldn't fly around with any inoperative equipment, regardless of how minor, without getting maintenance involved and having the item deferred in accordance with the MEL/CDL. AMR isn't going to protect their employees when the FAA comes with enforcement action for a FAR violation like this.
I wouldn't risk getting violated over a reading light or coffee pot!!
I wouldn't risk getting violated over a reading light or coffee pot!!
09-29-2012, 09:00 PM
#8
New Hire
Joined APC: Sep 2012
Posts: 2
Interesting to see that when things don't go the way the union wants, all of a sudden there are alot more maintainence items that suddenly pop up.
So "safety" regarding these small items only counts when it is used as a negotiating tool?
Please don't patronize the intelligent frequent flyers with your sudden interest in "safety". I would expect all the highly trained pilots to have the same level of concern for safety at all times.
So "safety" regarding these small items only counts when it is used as a negotiating tool?
Please don't patronize the intelligent frequent flyers with your sudden interest in "safety". I would expect all the highly trained pilots to have the same level of concern for safety at all times.
09-29-2012, 09:10 PM
#9
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Originally Posted by customer
Interesting to see that when things don't go the way the union wants, all of a sudden there are alot more maintainence items that suddenly pop up.
So "safety" regarding these small items only counts when it is used as a negotiating tool?
Please don't patronize the intelligent frequent flyers with your sudden interest in "safety". I would expect all the highly trained pilots to have the same level of concern for safety at all times.
So "safety" regarding these small items only counts when it is used as a negotiating tool?
Please don't patronize the intelligent frequent flyers with your sudden interest in "safety". I would expect all the highly trained pilots to have the same level of concern for safety at all times.
AA is now over increased FAA oversight, and quite frankly the pilots aren't going to risk their licenses for a company that will not stand for them anymore... so you get what you see happening now.
09-29-2012, 09:38 PM
#10
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: F/O
Posts: 33
Dear Customer,
I don't fly for AA but I am a Platinum Frequent Flyer. I don't fancy myself intelligent as you seemed to do yourself, BUT I do understand that the way to a successful organization be it a family, team or Airline is the mutual respect between all of those who make a company what it is. There is no absolutes in flying when it comes to safety. Everyone tries to minimize risk to a point where operations can be done safely AND economically. Like the post before mine said, under increased FAA scrutiny no pilot is going to risk their license for a company that doesn't care. Last week I missed my connection to and was hours late on my way home. Next week probably the same. Will I whine and call myself an intelligent costumer who knows better? No. Just a passenger that understands that mutual respect in an organization is what makes successful organizations. Guys who manage AA like Lorenzo will get what's coming to them, millions. The good people who make the company run will get the shaft. So Costumer I will say to you what I say to my squadron mates when they don't see the big picture and are worried
about themselves, "S¥ck it Trebek.!
I don't fly for AA but I am a Platinum Frequent Flyer. I don't fancy myself intelligent as you seemed to do yourself, BUT I do understand that the way to a successful organization be it a family, team or Airline is the mutual respect between all of those who make a company what it is. There is no absolutes in flying when it comes to safety. Everyone tries to minimize risk to a point where operations can be done safely AND economically. Like the post before mine said, under increased FAA scrutiny no pilot is going to risk their license for a company that doesn't care. Last week I missed my connection to and was hours late on my way home. Next week probably the same. Will I whine and call myself an intelligent costumer who knows better? No. Just a passenger that understands that mutual respect in an organization is what makes successful organizations. Guys who manage AA like Lorenzo will get what's coming to them, millions. The good people who make the company run will get the shaft. So Costumer I will say to you what I say to my squadron mates when they don't see the big picture and are worried
about themselves, "S¥ck it Trebek.!
