AA to recall/hire 2,500 over 5 years...
 

Special Jetwire posted today...

" As part of our plans, we expect to hire at least 1,500 new flight attendants over the next year and create approximately 2,500 new and recalled pilot jobs over five years, which we think will lead to about 1,300 Captain upgrades. "

That is awesome news for the entire profession.

I wouldn't get too worked up over this claim. Statements like this are usually tossed out just before a contract vote in the hope of dazzling the easily suckered. As it stands now, there are 2500 pilots who have recall rights or AA flow thru numbers at AE. Not all would return, so it's possible street hiring would occur, but again statements like this are easy, whereas actually seeing (or needing) 500 pilots/year over the next 5 is more elusive.

You know what I say to that claim..............A big fat "whatever". Seriously, does any AA employee trust those #)(@ers? How convenient that they announce growth/hiring plans when the USAir deal is potentially on the horizon. I'd love for it to be true for the sake of the AA pilots that have been nothing but kicked in the groin for the past decade or two, but it's got propaganda written all over it.

Trust me.......this tidbit means little to us with no competitive contract. So far, nothing but eye-rolling and head shaking from the pilot group.

DAL and dalpa did the same thing with the latest contract. " vote this in and there could be hiring this year!". Guess what? Lmfao.....

AA did just announce some international routes...DFW-ICN and LIM. ORD-DUS and JFK-DUB.

fwiw

Yep... Pretty much all done with aircraft that were pulled off discontinued routes. Shuffling the deck chairs!

As eaglefly stated above - it's all just lip service. Easy claims to make.

Until we get an ISC, nothing else matters. Otherwise we lose focus. This announcement and Kumbaya is all timed to lower our expectations into a substandard contract AS WELL AS get the airline thru the holidays with the "optimism." Not falling for it... can you say Hold the Football, Lucy.

Exactly.

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No chair shuffling. 777-300ER's start line ops in December. 10 in the next year. They have to go somewhere. First 6 routes replacing 777-200's. Those -200's have to go somewhere, either other new routes (ICN) or displace 767-300's which can fly other city pairs(DUS).

PILOT SHORTAGE'Z?

Wha...er-heasd...I can haz????

All 2500 will probably be hired in 2016-17.

DFW-LIM is prior route from early 2000s.

Plenty of these can be off the street hires. Not all of the AE pilots have priority.

There will be plenty opportunity for competitive pilots to get hired.

Yo Slice,

So far, none of the routes announced involve any of the new aircraft. So - for the time being - it is shuffling. I do agree with you that there will be a net gain in airframes once the -300s start arriving.

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73 ;)

5 years may as well be 500... it's so far in the future given our current contractural/BK situation, it means nothing.

Like "Pull together, win together", I don't believe one single statement from those lying SOB's. It was bad before the PUPs. After the bonuses, it became irreconcilable.

Md 80 ad?
 

When are the 80s supposed to be gone? Did the wiring AD get extended again? How many on the line today? That should change the math.

80s will stick around till around 2018, at least... still about 170 of them.
Long live the Mad Dog!

Has a pay rate been established for the 777-300's? If not, I hope APA pilots let them collect dust.

New routes, new hiring. Rrrriiiiight. All smoke and mirrors. Please, APA pilots, don't be fooled. Stand strong, and keep ensuring those aircraft are extremely safe and well maintained, right through the holidays.

The new service announced yesterday starts with two flights in April(5 777-300ER's on property), one in May(6th -300ER), and one in June(7th -300ER on property).

Six current 772 flights have been announced as upgrading to 773's. That allows those 772's to push into new markets (ICN) or replace current 763 flying which frees up 763's for other routes(DUS).

IMO we'll announce another 3-5 new w/b routes or additional frequencies in existing markets before the end of next summer due to the 10 773's we'll have by EOF2013.

Since we have no contract the answer is no. 1113 and TA had 773 pay rates. Guessing that we'd have a TA, or failure of talks leading to the 1113 becoming our 'contract', before the 773's start line flying.

"Dog"? Perhaps. "Mad"? No way!;)

Don't worry Mink, nobody is falling for it. Even **IF** we have a slight net increase in airframes, who's to say AA won't decide to suddenly park older aircraft previously unannounced, resulting in a loss.

As far as I'm concerned, Horton timed his "cafeteria koolaid" perfectly in time for the holidays. Translation, we announce hiring and growth, pilots are injected with optimism, and the operation trucks right on through the holidays seamlessly.

Meanwhile, Nov 1 approaches... tick tock

777-300 pay rate would be in the proposed Group 5 pay rate. Nothing set in stone yet until we get a contract.

Stephen Wolf used a similar phrase at USAirways. Turbo Growth, more airplanes coming than god can count. ToHo learned from the Wolf.

Me and 35% of my well informed pilots at DAL thought so too. Trust me....guys are falling for it.
I'm not saying our contract at DAL is bad..... just sayin

Fyp. .

Yawn.........

What's going on with the potential merger with us air and amr?

Fixed that NOV. 1 concern today. 11%. Just enough to stop the stampede.

Both parties signed NDAs that will expire Oct 31st. AA/US and UCC are meeting next week to have a final discussion and I presume we will hear results on Nov 1.

usa today had an article about a meeting today with the 'investors' and bankers to look at potential income/saving of a merge.

disclaimer. it came from usa today. so who knows

This merger is on boys.

Thats how it appears. The only question is who will run the merger? Parker or Horton?

I have an old coat hanger, maybe it could run the "new" airline?

It would probably do a better job than those doorknobs Parker and Horton.

I have a few of those too. I'm sure I could find a frisbee in the garage, just incase.

I've had a pet theory that hiring 2 or 3 freshly-minted MBA's with common sense, along with a few experts as an advisory board, could run an airline better, far better, than Horton, at 1/10th of the salary.

Or... go with the old coat hanger. One of the cheap ones from the cleaners with a cardboard tube on it. Preferably one at the back of the closet that had fallen to the floor.

Just wanted to comment on Horton's announcement of 2500 new pilot hires in the next 5 years. According to the current numbers 2500 seems “very” enthusiastic and unprobable at best, unless they know something the public doesn't know (huge additional short term narrow body order, a large buy out of pilots,...)

The first problem lies with their multiple announcements. The first announcement, expressed a buyout of 2200 flight attendants while hiring 1500 in the next year or two. A net reduction of 700 flight attendant positions over the next year. We need to know where those additional efficiency's are coming from or is the company expecting shrinkage?

If the company is expecting shrinkage by reducing a net total of 700 flight attendants, where is the growth coming from to support 2500 new pilots(smaller airplanes?). Current projections show a demand for 1224 pilots due to growth through 2017 not including a 20% recall rate from current furloughs. With the recall rate it drops down to 887 pilots needed over the next 5 years.

If the demand for 2500 pilots is not all coming from growth then the rest should be coming from retirements. According to current mandatory retirement projections the company should see 771 retirements up through 2017. It is possible they could see more due to early retirements. Would it be enough to make up the difference of 887 pilots from growth, 771 from retirements (1658) and bring it to 2500 pilots.

What this means is in order to see Horton’s predictions come to fruition we need to see an additional 842 pilots come on the property due to growth (in an environment where we are seeing a net reduction of 700 flight attendant positions?) or 842 pilots (10% of the current pilot group) give up their premium seniority positions and pay in a form of early retirements. These current projections take into account a robust airline market over the next 5 years. The management team has built in enough flexibility at AA to further delay fleet growth in the event we see current economic stagnation continue which would further reduce pilot demand over the shortrun at AA.

+1
Also, run the numbers? 42 people a month from a company that has no active HR department. Sounds like all fluff........