Could you explain your sick leave at your air
 

I know what Delta's and United's sick leave provisions are. But I'm hoping a SWA, Alaska, Spirit, Allegiant, USAir pilots can quickly tell me how their sick leave works.

AA and APA are telling us that our AIP is industry standard in every way.

AA's supposed ISC sick leave: Replace sick bank with a short term 60 hours bank. Then there is a long term bank of 245 to whatever you had up to 940.
You are allowed 60 hours sick per year. Any sick occurence exceeding 14 days or for access to long term bank requires authorization from AA med or 3rd party contractor to access long term bank.

I'm in my 17th year. I've never had to use long term sick. I get 2 or 3 severe head colds per year. That alone will hit 60 hours for me.


I just feel this is so far below industry standard that I voted NO for this and for Scope.

As an example, I know Deltas sick policy is they receive 285 hours per year. If you exceed 310 in a rolling 3 years then there is a small penalty of say 60 or 70% pay for the hurs used above 310. Did I get that right?

I'm hoping a Spirit pilot or Alaska pilot can comment on their sick for a comparison. Our union does not provide sick comparisons on contract comparisons.

My take on the whole proposal was EVERYTHING was far below industry standard.

Thanks for anything you can pass on.

Delta's policy changed. We get 270 yours per year after 20 years. We get 240 hours per year after 9 years. Everything is paid at 100 percent now. We are allowed to use 100 hours of unverified sick leave per sick year (June 1st to May 31st). A doctor's note makes it verified sick leave. Unverified means call in sick, no questions asked. I see you are in your 17th year. You would get the 240 hours per year at Delta until you're in your 20th year. IMHO, Delta's sick policy is well above industry standard. That is one part of our contract that I'm comfortable with.

Negotiating committee page has contract data from the legacy carriers + FedEx, JB, SW and Spirit.

270 per year? Cumulative? If you didn't call in sick between years 10-20 would you have 2700 hrs in your bank?

No, DAL sick time is use it or lose it.


Addtionionally, the "verified" sick leave could be in the form of a call to your CPO, say when you are still congested and ask him/her if they will accept it as verified. It will be a judgement call on their part, if you are on your first or second call and aren't anywhere close to 100 hours it will prolong the time to hit the "verified" level if they accept it. Also dental pain/issues can be used for sick leave, not sure if other airlines ever had that stipulation.

At Allegiant it's all PTO. We are trying to change that with our first contract I believe. The nice thing is you are guaranteed min guarantee if sick. Any sick time below min guarantee still pays min. Above min, its PTO or lost pay if your PTO wont cover it all. Anything over three days in a row can require a doctors note. Overall, as long as you don't abuse it, they are pretty fair with it.

Thanks guys

The 60 hours is very similar to USAirways East. Need Doctors note to access long term bank over 21 days. Not required to use company doctor yet. Prior to retirement many burn up long term bank.

shiznit - after 270 hrs what do you get paid?

Slice,

After 9 years of service you receive 240 hours annually. We have a table in the contract. I'm on 5 year longevity & I think I receive 140 hours annually. After 20 years longevity you receive 270 hours annually. All sick time is "use it or lose it" time. Our sick year is 6/1 through 5/31. So with 9 years longevity on 6/1/13 240 hours of sick time will be deposited. If you use 239 hours or 20 hours, on 6/1/14 you go back to a balance of 240 hours. It does not accumulate. There are other provisions to cover long term sick, so once your sick bank hits 0 hours you are not SOL.

We get 5hr/month, 60/hr. Used to top out at 1000. Looks like we'll be getting the 60+940 limit. Rolls over. If you hit zero you go on long term disability pay similar to what you have.

Your 140/270 hr annual limit seems better for new guys and worse for reasonablly healthy guys with more LOS.

It stunk for pre merger NWA guys who had accumulated sick time over the years. Some lost 1000+ hours of sick time in the transition. It kind of stinks to not accumulate sick time, but I'm happy with our sick policy. I don't like policies with which you accrue a set time per month(like 5 hours every month) because I feel it forces guys with very few years of service to fly sick.

You go on Short then Long Term Disability which is 50% of your last 12 months. That is supplemented by a 28% retirement contribution (14% of your last 12 salary). It ends at age 65. There are no premiums at all for the disability plan. We have a voluntary Mutual Aid plan, that is supposed to get you back up to 100% for the first 12 months you are on disability, the premium is quite small.

alfa - similar to our program. Thanks.

At Emirates Airline, we get two "uncertified" days per month meaning you can call in sick WITHOUT having to see the company doctor. If you're out sick for more than two days at a time (anytime) you're required to see company doctor.
We get letters from the Chief every so often telling us they see we've been sick more than the average. They can really come down with the hammer here. I got called in one time a few years ago because I apparently exceeded whatever number of sick days allowed. It was an 8 minute visit on my day off to the chief... as are all visits to the chief... on your day off, (which we don't have nearly as many days off as you stateside flyers!) Anyways, basically the chief tells me, "You're not being productive enough" Really? 800 hours a year is not productive enough, eh?

Having said that, Emirates is remarkably good and helpful when you have some serous stuff going on... cancer, heart issues etc. For some reason, they really seem to come thru for guys on this and give them whatever is needed.

We do have astronaut physicals once a year (Thank God only once a year!). I remember my first physical here.... I'm like, "Hey, chill out Doc.... if I have a real problem I'll go to my own private physician!". Come to find out your Flight Physical Doctor is ALSO your private physician.

K

Wow. That sucks! :eek: