7576FO

I know what Delta's and United's sick leave provisions are. But I'm hoping a SWA, Alaska, Spirit, Allegiant, USAir pilots can quickly tell me how their sick leave works.

AA and APA are telling us that our AIP is industry standard in every way.

AA's supposed ISC sick leave: Replace sick bank with a short term 60 hours bank. Then there is a long term bank of 245 to whatever you had up to 940.
You are allowed 60 hours sick per year. Any sick occurence exceeding 14 days or for access to long term bank requires authorization from AA med or 3rd party contractor to access long term bank.

I'm in my 17th year. I've never had to use long term sick. I get 2 or 3 severe head colds per year. That alone will hit 60 hours for me.


I just feel this is so far below industry standard that I voted NO for this and for Scope.

As an example, I know Deltas sick policy is they receive 285 hours per year. If you exceed 310 in a rolling 3 years then there is a small penalty of say 60 or 70% pay for the hurs used above 310. Did I get that right?

I'm hoping a Spirit pilot or Alaska pilot can comment on their sick for a comparison. Our union does not provide sick comparisons on contract comparisons.

My take on the whole proposal was EVERYTHING was far below industry standard.

Thanks for anything you can pass on.

hockeypilot44

Delta's policy changed. We get 270 yours per year after 20 years. We get 240 hours per year after 9 years. Everything is paid at 100 percent now. We are allowed to use 100 hours of unverified sick leave per sick year (June 1st to May 31st). A doctor's note makes it verified sick leave. Unverified means call in sick, no questions asked. I see you are in your 17th year. You would get the 240 hours per year at Delta until you're in your 20th year. IMHO, Delta's sick policy is well above industry standard. That is one part of our contract that I'm comfortable with.

Sliceback

Negotiating committee page has contract data from the legacy carriers + FedEx, JB, SW and Spirit.

Sliceback

270 per year? Cumulative? If you didn't call in sick between years 10-20 would you have 2700 hrs in your bank?

shiznit

No, DAL sick time is use it or lose it.


Addtionionally, the "verified" sick leave could be in the form of a call to your CPO, say when you are still congested and ask him/her if they will accept it as verified. It will be a judgement call on their part, if you are on your first or second call and aren't anywhere close to 100 hours it will prolong the time to hit the "verified" level if they accept it. Also dental pain/issues can be used for sick leave, not sure if other airlines ever had that stipulation.

Vegaspilot

At Allegiant it's all PTO. We are trying to change that with our first contract I believe. The nice thing is you are guaranteed min guarantee if sick. Any sick time below min guarantee still pays min. Above min, its PTO or lost pay if your PTO wont cover it all. Anything over three days in a row can require a doctors note. Overall, as long as you don't abuse it, they are pretty fair with it.

7576FO

Thanks guys

CaptainBigWood

The 60 hours is very similar to USAirways East. Need Doctors note to access long term bank over 21 days. Not required to use company doctor yet. Prior to retirement many burn up long term bank.

Sliceback

shiznit - after 270 hrs what do you get paid?

johnso29

Slice,

After 9 years of service you receive 240 hours annually. We have a table in the contract. I'm on 5 year longevity & I think I receive 140 hours annually. After 20 years longevity you receive 270 hours annually. All sick time is "use it or lose it" time. Our sick year is 6/1 through 5/31. So with 9 years longevity on 6/1/13 240 hours of sick time will be deposited. If you use 239 hours or 20 hours, on 6/1/14 you go back to a balance of 240 hours. It does not accumulate. There are other provisions to cover long term sick, so once your sick bank hits 0 hours you are not SOL.