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aa73 01-28-2013 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by 7576FO (Post 1340678)
At every recurrent I go upstairs. I've met many schedulers and dispatchers.
Contrary to some of my posts here, AA is not a place I can recommend to anyone.
From A to Z this place is the worst of ALL the majors.
The only positive thing I can say about life at AA is on reserve, if there is more than one trip open when they call you, you'll have a choice. If there is one person below you on reserve you may pass.

We now have no profit sharing. Yes, many will say when offered the choice of wages in ink vs. questionable profit sharing, go for the ink.

This place keeps taking and taking.

Just finished the book retirement heist. There's several pages on USAir, and AMR (AA and through American Beacon) are making bank (stealing) from us.

Before you apply to AA, do your research and call an AA pilot. Or ask here. This goes way beyond treating you like a number. Way beyond.

Note to all young pilots. When I was a young 25 yr old commuter pilot I started a 401K. No matter where you choose to work, start one immediately!

I agree with this post as it relates to AA for the past 15 years under THE WORST MANAGEMENT EVER.

That said - with a management change, AA is a golden opportunity and has the potential to become Delta-like. With the chances of a merger inside of BK becoming higher every day, and a management change that goes along with that - I believe AA will become a kick-arse place to work within the next few years.

I hope I'm right. Regardless, the day AA announces hiring, they will be SWAMPED with applications.

meyers9163 01-28-2013 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 1341013)
I hope I'm right. Regardless, the day AA announces hiring, they will be SWAMPED with applications.

Again I agree but the management teams seem to tout at Airways, Dal, UAL, etc. that they had 8,000 plus applicants apply..... I just don't see that as the case as many apply everywh and wonder how many total qualified applicants there are? I'd wager well under 15k? ..... AA and UAL will be battling this year with Fedex and SWA for the best out there but I think it'll be a matter of when the real applicant pool dwindle and quality becomes an issue.......

CaptainBigWood 01-28-2013 01:31 PM

Had a Fed on the jumpseat. He stated fewer than 300 pilots nation wide earned commercial in 2011.

Sliceback 01-28-2013 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainBigWood (Post 1341112)
Had a Fed on the jumpseat. He stated fewer than 300 pilots nation wide earned commercial in 2011.


Fed had no clue what he was talking about. FAA posts the number of people getting licenses/ratings -

US Civil Airmen Statistics


Almost every military pilot gets there commercial/instrument. That's a couple thousand right there.

Sliceback 01-28-2013 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 1341013)
I agree with this post as it relates to AA for the past 15 years under THE WORST MANAGEMENT EVER.

Pan Am?
Braniff?
Eastern?
Lorenzo?
People's Express?
New York Air?

Senior Skipper 01-28-2013 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainBigWood (Post 1341112)
Had a Fed on the jumpseat. He stated fewer than 300 pilots nation wide earned commercial in 2011.

I'm sure Riddle alone does that. So much for feds.

meyers9163 01-29-2013 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 1341344)
Fed had no clue what he was talking about. FAA posts the number of people getting licenses/ratings -

US Civil Airmen Statistics


Almost every military pilot gets there commercial/instrument. That's a couple thousand right there.

Hmmmm I bet it's somewhere in between..... No way the numbers on that website are for one year only.... Also it doesn't show foreign students etc breakdown..... I'd wager to say a fed might have a better clue then you and I.......

ForeverFO 01-29-2013 04:34 AM

I would say AA's management labor relations was very poor, but until Carty became CEO, their business acumen (under Crandall) was not bad... if anything, they knew the airline world. Unfortunately, that meant hosing employees to get to where they wanted to go.

So you have to look at "bad management" as it relates to two things:

1) labor relations, pay, a "great place to work"
2) Running an airline, outcompeting, understanding routes, yields, etc.

Sliceback 01-29-2013 06:08 PM

USAIR early 2000's?
UAL? Almost anytime?

B757200ER 02-03-2013 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 1341013)
I agree with this post as it relates to AA for the past 15 years under THE WORST MANAGEMENT EVER.

That said - with a management change, AA is a golden opportunity and has the potential to become Delta-like.

Many airlines never reach their 'potential', my friend. Time will tell.


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