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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1384398)
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Originally Posted by AZFlyer
(Post 1384507)
How the heck does he keep his ring finger straight while curling his pinky? My hand doesn't work that way.
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I like different uniforms because I like to know if I'm about to get bumped off the Jumpseat.
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Originally Posted by jackie moon
(Post 1384515)
I like different uniforms because I like to know if I'm about to get bumped off the Jumpseat.
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Originally Posted by MayDaze
(Post 1383706)
The regional guys can look like slobs in their own uniform.
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
(Post 1384750)
DB much???
Black sneakers, Dockers, no undershirt, 2 day beard growth, dirty tie/pants/everything... it breaks my heart what they're doing to our profession. |
Originally Posted by KillingMeSmalls
(Post 1384773)
Ha, he just said what the rest of us were thinking. I think it comes from the lack of military background. Don't get me wrong, mainline has some slobs as well, but a little part of me dies every time I walk through the commuter gates.
Black sneakers, Dockers, no undershirt, 2 day beard growth, dirty tie/pants/everything... it breaks my heart what they're doing to our profession. |
Originally Posted by Red Forman
(Post 1384782)
Because every mainline pilot came from the military and no regional guys have a military background? Can you paint with a broader brush? There are plenty of slobs in the regionals and an equal amount in mainline. And not a single mainline pilot or group hasn't contributed to the demise of the profession? Grow up and pull your head out of the sand. :rolleyes:
If I come to work unkempt I'll definately hear about from the senior pilots. That culture is just not there at some regionals at their uniforms reflect that. Hopefully one day all jet jobs will be at mainline like it used to be. Most of the flying public doesn't even know when they're not on US Airways (much to management's delight). Different uniforms is just a very small step towards the goal of saving these 10 year F/Os that are making 30k a year. |
Originally Posted by KillingMeSmalls
(Post 1384208)
Originally Posted by nwa757
(Post 1384055)
This should work for you.
http://rlv.zcache.com/i_am_better_th..._804gs_512.jpg I mean seriously. This we vs us stuff is what creates b-scales, 50% outsourcing, you name it. Are you proud to be a part of a profession where half the pilots can barely afford to raise a family, just because you are in the "upper" half? If everyone had that attitude, eventually you won't work for any company at all... you'll end up beating your chest about some shell-game company. One airline wearing different a uniform from another airline does not create "b-scales, 50% outsourcing, you name it". Most of the flying you guys are doing used to be mainline anyways. All I see here is regional guys that want to be mistaken for mainline guys and mainline guys that don't like to be mistaken for regional guys. I hate to say it, but there is a huge difference. If you could please leave your inferiority complex on the regional forum that would be great. Get it? The more dis-unity this profession has the more management will take advantage. Either play into it or realize it and act accordingly. You assumed I fly for a regional. My point exactly. |
Originally Posted by nwa757
(Post 1384903)
If you could leave your superiority complex out of this you would see the big picture. When you put regional pilots in a different uniform you create a us vs them situation. Exactly what management wants, disunity. "Oh his stripes are different, I'm better than him" "Those guys TOOK our flying" No on took anyones flying, it was outsourced when the unions were broken down in bankruptcy.
Get it? The more dis-unity this profession has the more management will take advantage. Either play into it or realize it and act accordingly. You assumed I fly for a regional. My point exactly. |
Originally Posted by aa73
(Post 1384909)
Originally Posted by nwa757
(Post 1384903)
If you could leave your superiority complex out of this you would see the big picture. When you put regional pilots in a different uniform you create a us vs them situation. Exactly what management wants, disunity. "Oh his stripes are different, I'm better than him" "Those guys TOOK our flying" No on took anyones flying, it was outsourced when the unions were broken down in bankruptcy.
Get it? The more dis-unity this profession has the more management will take advantage. Either play into it or realize it and act accordingly. You assumed I fly for a regional. My point exactly. |
For clarification I am not advocating same uniforms so we can all "look the same" to the flying public, I am talking about how one pilot sees another pilot. A pilot is a pilot and we should treat each others as equals. Different uniforms promote the opposite whether you realize it or not.
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Originally Posted by nwa757
(Post 1384915)
For clarification I am not advocating same uniforms so we can all "look the same" to the flying public, I am talking about how one pilot sees another pilot. A pilot is a pilot and we should treat each others as equals. Different uniforms promote the opposite whether you realize it or not.
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Originally Posted by nwa757
(Post 1384915)
For clarification I am not advocating same uniforms so we can all "look the same" to the flying public, I am talking about how one pilot sees another pilot. A pilot is a pilot and we should treat each others as equals. Different uniforms promote the opposite whether you realize it or not.
My point is that, by promoting similar uniforms, paint jobs, procedures, etc. between different airlines is airline management's M.O. in blending everything in - which, translated, includes "lowering the bar" in the long run. We may all belong to the same brotherhood of airline pilots, but within the brotherhood exist very different agendas. When an airline tries to put pilots on the same level as F/As, mechanics, and gate agents (which they love to do,) that is a huge threat to the airline pilot profession. That is no different than dressing an airline and its regional codeshare partner - which takes outsourced flying from its mainline partner - in the same uniform: the psychological idea behind that being to blend in both groups so that it becomes "more acceptable, we're all one." That's my point, and it's destructive to the profession. |
Originally Posted by aa73
(Post 1385034)
And neither am I... I do not look upon a pilot any differently no matter what the uniform looks like. Any pilot, regardless of airline, who has jumpseated on one of my flights gets treated exactly how I would like to be treated on their airline: with a ton of respect, professionalism, and a comfy flight.
My point is that, by promoting similar uniforms, paint jobs, procedures, etc. between different airlines is airline management's M.O. in blending everything in - which, translated, includes "lowering the bar" in the long run. We may all belong to the same brotherhood of airline pilots, but within the brotherhood exist very different agendas. When an airline tries to put pilots on the same level as F/As, mechanics, and gate agents (which they love to do,) that is a huge threat to the airline pilot profession. That is no different than dressing an airline and its regional codeshare partner - which takes outsourced flying from its mainline partner - in the same uniform: the psychological idea behind that being to blend in both groups so that it becomes "more acceptable, we're all one." That's my point, and it's destructive to the profession. |
There should be some level of differentiation between mainline and express.
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ALPA and The other unions made the distinctions by allowing the inferior pay scales. Remembering that more pilots paying dues has always been their goal.
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Originally Posted by CaptainBigWood
(Post 1385751)
ALPA and The other unions made the distinctions by allowing the inferior pay scales. Remembering that more pilots paying dues has always been their goal.
The problem is public brand recognition. The regionals have none which leads them to being interchangeable. This makes sense for the Major Airlines (see Whipsaw) and hiding any recognition of the regionals real airline helps this effect. The only viable long term goal is to have pilots work for the airline that is painted on their planes. Dressing up regional pilots to look like mainline pilots doesn't count and doesn't help. |
Originally Posted by MayDaze
(Post 1383706)
The regional guys can look like slobs in their own uniform.
All depends on the major or legacy, but more importantly, all depends on the individual, NOT their professional station. As a regional CA, I strongly believe in maintaining the pilot's image in the public eye, and the uniform is a big part of it. For as much ribbing as they get, that's one of my favorite things about Delta: demonstrable respect for the profession. Don't wanna look like a pilot? Go scoop guacamole at Qdoba. But your notion of lumping vast groups of people together and slapping on a label is laziness, at best, good ol' fashioned immaturity at worst. |
Originally Posted by DakBroadbent
(Post 1385787)
Hahahaha! You so funny! The mainline, sorry LEGACY, guys and gals I see most often look sooooo professional in their windbreaker jackets, no hats, and backpacks!
All depends on the major or legacy, but more importantly, all depends on the individual, NOT their professional station. As a regional CA, I strongly believe in maintaining the pilot's image in the public eye, and the uniform is a big part of it. For as much ribbing as they get, that's one of my favorite things about Delta: demonstrable respect for the profession. Don't wanna look like a pilot? Go scoop guacamole at Qdoba. But your notion of lumping vast groups of people together and slapping on a label is laziness, at best, good ol' fashioned immaturity at worst. The worst things regional guys do is come on Major Airline forums and bring up a post 5 pages back to kill a good discussion. Good job ace. |
Originally Posted by DakBroadbent
(Post 1385787)
Hahahaha! You so funny! The mainline, sorry LEGACY, guys and gals I see most often look sooooo professional in their windbreaker jackets, no hats, and backpacks!
All depends on the major or legacy, but more importantly, all depends on the individual, NOT their professional station. As a regional CA, I strongly believe in maintaining the pilot's image in the public eye, and the uniform is a big part of it. For as much ribbing as they get, that's one of my favorite things about Delta: demonstrable respect for the profession. Don't wanna look like a pilot? Go scoop guacamole at Qdoba. But your notion of lumping vast groups of people together and slapping on a label is laziness, at best, good ol' fashioned immaturity at worst. I have almost never seen a US Airways mainline pilot in a backback or windbreaker. See, the problem is that the regional guys have the exact same uniform, so you probable saw one of them. Mystery solved. |
I'm sad to say that I'm saddened at the state of affairs as it relates to the regional vs mainline pilot debacle in the USA. I learn a lot everyday that I go through the motions and talk to guys and read the posts on here. In Jamaica where I grew up once a commercial pilot you were a Professional Pilot and the only thing that distinguished you from the other guy was who you worked for. Professionalism was always at the forefront however it seems in the US where aviation 'sprouted' so many guys are looked down upon(especially at the regional level) that I feel that it contributes somewhat to the lack of pride in the profession till you 'move up'. If one isn't a professional and carries him/herself as such and is treated likewise how then do they suddenly garner that respect once the uniform changes to that of a "real airline"? I've been told that a uniform doesn't fly airplanes safely, efficiently and competently from A to B and I agree, but that's just the opinion of a lowly regional pilot, take it for what it's seemingly worth.
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Originally Posted by KillingMeSmalls
(Post 1385798)
That's great and all, but regional guys are more unkept than mainline guys. It's a fact; there was a study on it.
The worst things regional guys do is come on Major Airline forums and bring up a post 5 pages back to kill a good discussion. Good job ace. Methinks someone has little pecker syndrome. |
Hahahaha! You so funny! The mainline, sorry LEGACY, guys and gals I see most often look sooooo professional in their windbreaker jackets, no hats, and backpacks! I haven't seen that many regional guys looking crappy, either. There's a few; bad apple syndrome. Usually, it's the shoes and hair that stand out as being inappropriate. |
Originally Posted by Red Forman
(Post 1385828)
Would love to see this "study".:rolleyes:
Methinks someone has little pecker syndrome. an interdisciplinary study of airline pilot uniforms |
Originally Posted by KillingMeSmalls
(Post 1385892)
I'm sorry you had to resort visualizing my penis (if that's what you're into, there's nothing wrong with that) but there is an actual study. I'll post a link specifically for you.
an interdisciplinary study of airline pilot uniforms |
What's also interesting is the the guys that check passenger bags at curbside wear uniforms that resemble pilot uniforms (hats, stripes and all). Coincidence? I don't think so. Just another subtle way to take us down a notch
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Originally Posted by KillingMeSmalls
(Post 1385892)
I'm sorry you had to resort visualizing my penis (if that's what you're into, there's nothing wrong with that) but there is an actual study. I'll post a link specifically for you.
an interdisciplinary study of airline pilot uniforms Okay, enough of this immature flirting. Let's continue with the very important subject of pilot fashion. |
Originally Posted by jwes
(Post 1385906)
What's also interesting is the the guys that check passenger bags at curbside wear uniforms that resemble pilot uniforms (hats, stripes and all). Coincidence? I don't think so. Just another subtle way to take us down a notch
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Originally Posted by MayDaze
(Post 1386032)
Hilarious! I bet he was thinking to himself,"Wow, there is really a study. I'll just click on this link here... Aaaaarrrr!! How will I get him back? I know! I'll say that he proved my point! I'm not really sure what my point is but I know it had something to do with his penis. Ahhhhh penis."
Okay, enough of this immature flirting. Let's continue with the very important subject of pilot fashion. |
Originally Posted by aa73
(Post 1384341)
+ 1 on regional and majors having different uniforms. Two totally different airlines and the uniforms should reflect that.
Contrary to what was written above - Having the same uniform is just one of many factors that BROUGHT turmoil to this profession. If you don't see that then my friend you are naive. Same paint jobs, same uniforms, same procedures - itīs all part of a carefully orchestrated plan to all be one and the same singing kumbaya together. Managementīs wet dream come true! Well, folks, pardon my straightfrowardness but once your dues are paid and you score your dream job, the LAST thing you want is for your position to be slowly diluted and eroded away into the lowest common blend so that "we are all one and the same." Sorry, but that's the exact attitude airline management wants us to adopt, and I resist that to the max. This is not a slam on regional pilots, as your jobs are just as demanding as your major airline counterparts, if not more, and I will never consider myself superior to anyone - but rather, an effort to maintain the major airline pilot position at the highest level it can be. Now, as someone else above wrote - bring the regional pilots into mainline and start off on the lowest paying equipment, now we're talking: same uniforms, paint, etc - absolutely. But as long as the airlines remain separate and the regional pilot groups are handed over outsourced flying from the majors, no thanks: now we have pilot groups taking flying at the expense of others. When I was an ACA pilot, we had our own uniform despite the fact that it was strictly United Express (this was pre-DL Connection days) and we were proud of that. We did NOT want to look like UAL or DL pilots. And the same should apply today. Just one man's opinion and again, not a slam on regional pilots. Just trying to keep what (little) we still have. |
This thread proves without a doubt that there is no napoleon complex worse than that of a disgruntled regional pilot.
Make a statement of which everyone is aware of the validity, then watch those who are highly defensive jump out of the woodwork. |
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