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Originally Posted by nwa757
(Post 1384903)
If you could leave your superiority complex out of this you would see the big picture. When you put regional pilots in a different uniform you create a us vs them situation. Exactly what management wants, disunity. "Oh his stripes are different, I'm better than him" "Those guys TOOK our flying" No on took anyones flying, it was outsourced when the unions were broken down in bankruptcy.
Get it? The more dis-unity this profession has the more management will take advantage. Either play into it or realize it and act accordingly. You assumed I fly for a regional. My point exactly. |
Originally Posted by aa73
(Post 1384909)
Originally Posted by nwa757
(Post 1384903)
If you could leave your superiority complex out of this you would see the big picture. When you put regional pilots in a different uniform you create a us vs them situation. Exactly what management wants, disunity. "Oh his stripes are different, I'm better than him" "Those guys TOOK our flying" No on took anyones flying, it was outsourced when the unions were broken down in bankruptcy.
Get it? The more dis-unity this profession has the more management will take advantage. Either play into it or realize it and act accordingly. You assumed I fly for a regional. My point exactly. |
For clarification I am not advocating same uniforms so we can all "look the same" to the flying public, I am talking about how one pilot sees another pilot. A pilot is a pilot and we should treat each others as equals. Different uniforms promote the opposite whether you realize it or not.
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Originally Posted by nwa757
(Post 1384915)
For clarification I am not advocating same uniforms so we can all "look the same" to the flying public, I am talking about how one pilot sees another pilot. A pilot is a pilot and we should treat each others as equals. Different uniforms promote the opposite whether you realize it or not.
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Originally Posted by nwa757
(Post 1384915)
For clarification I am not advocating same uniforms so we can all "look the same" to the flying public, I am talking about how one pilot sees another pilot. A pilot is a pilot and we should treat each others as equals. Different uniforms promote the opposite whether you realize it or not.
My point is that, by promoting similar uniforms, paint jobs, procedures, etc. between different airlines is airline management's M.O. in blending everything in - which, translated, includes "lowering the bar" in the long run. We may all belong to the same brotherhood of airline pilots, but within the brotherhood exist very different agendas. When an airline tries to put pilots on the same level as F/As, mechanics, and gate agents (which they love to do,) that is a huge threat to the airline pilot profession. That is no different than dressing an airline and its regional codeshare partner - which takes outsourced flying from its mainline partner - in the same uniform: the psychological idea behind that being to blend in both groups so that it becomes "more acceptable, we're all one." That's my point, and it's destructive to the profession. |
Originally Posted by aa73
(Post 1385034)
And neither am I... I do not look upon a pilot any differently no matter what the uniform looks like. Any pilot, regardless of airline, who has jumpseated on one of my flights gets treated exactly how I would like to be treated on their airline: with a ton of respect, professionalism, and a comfy flight.
My point is that, by promoting similar uniforms, paint jobs, procedures, etc. between different airlines is airline management's M.O. in blending everything in - which, translated, includes "lowering the bar" in the long run. We may all belong to the same brotherhood of airline pilots, but within the brotherhood exist very different agendas. When an airline tries to put pilots on the same level as F/As, mechanics, and gate agents (which they love to do,) that is a huge threat to the airline pilot profession. That is no different than dressing an airline and its regional codeshare partner - which takes outsourced flying from its mainline partner - in the same uniform: the psychological idea behind that being to blend in both groups so that it becomes "more acceptable, we're all one." That's my point, and it's destructive to the profession. |
There should be some level of differentiation between mainline and express.
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ALPA and The other unions made the distinctions by allowing the inferior pay scales. Remembering that more pilots paying dues has always been their goal.
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Originally Posted by CaptainBigWood
(Post 1385751)
ALPA and The other unions made the distinctions by allowing the inferior pay scales. Remembering that more pilots paying dues has always been their goal.
The problem is public brand recognition. The regionals have none which leads them to being interchangeable. This makes sense for the Major Airlines (see Whipsaw) and hiding any recognition of the regionals real airline helps this effect. The only viable long term goal is to have pilots work for the airline that is painted on their planes. Dressing up regional pilots to look like mainline pilots doesn't count and doesn't help. |
Originally Posted by MayDaze
(Post 1383706)
The regional guys can look like slobs in their own uniform.
All depends on the major or legacy, but more importantly, all depends on the individual, NOT their professional station. As a regional CA, I strongly believe in maintaining the pilot's image in the public eye, and the uniform is a big part of it. For as much ribbing as they get, that's one of my favorite things about Delta: demonstrable respect for the profession. Don't wanna look like a pilot? Go scoop guacamole at Qdoba. But your notion of lumping vast groups of people together and slapping on a label is laziness, at best, good ol' fashioned immaturity at worst. |
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