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Mason32 02-24-2013 05:29 PM

Somebody needs to make sure we know who these lecherous deviants are who would intentionally set somebody up like that. We don't need that kind of person on our property. Good moral character... Fail.

swaayze 02-24-2013 07:49 PM

I stand corrected, thanks.

32LTangoTen 02-26-2013 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1358845)
Really ? :eek:

Every Eagle pilot on property post 10/11/11 has a contractual right to an AA new-hire position ?

I was unaware of that.............could you post the grievance award/settlement ?

BTW, I heard earlier this week that AA street hiring will be put on hold and they only plan to go down the list to the last AA native (perhaps to start the 3 year clock ?). That will leave perhaps 150 Eagle flows with numbers (the large block group at the very bottom) out in the cold until new management sorts out the plan for AA/U and the regionals.

Just what I've heard.................

True story. No interview. Or AA medical check necessary. Flow through to every pilot on AE seniority list that has a DOH of 11OCT2011 and prior

32LTangoTen 02-26-2013 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1359515)
Somebody needs to make sure we know who these lecherous deviants are who would intentionally set somebody up like that. We don't need that kind of person on our property. Good moral character... Fail.

I'd love to name them here. Can I?

A Recall Petition is in progress. ~300 signatures in 3 days.

One has been quoted as saying "I don't give a ____". It's documented too.

eaglefly 02-26-2013 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 32LTangoTen (Post 1360478)
True story. No interview. Or AA medical check necessary. Flow through to every pilot on AE seniority list that has a DOH of 11OCT2011 and prior

Are you sure........have you read the details of that "settlement" agreement ?

Is it possible that some are counting their chickens before they hatch ?

First of all, this agreement was devised prior to AMR (and Eagle's) Chapter 11 declaration. A bankruptcy that is still very much in progress.

Is there any language there that makes it bulletproof in a bankruptcy situation ?

Another additional concern is the statement, "Each pilot on the Eagle pilots system seniority list as of October 11, 2011 shall be eligible (a loose term) to be offered an opportunity (another loose term) for a pilots position at AA as such positions become available PERSUANT TO THE TERMS OF AMERICANS SEPERATE AGREEMENT WITH EAGLE AND ALPA".

- What are the terms of THAT agreement ?

- Since the langauge of that agreement is the definitive mechanism that this one relies on, the meaning of this settlement language depends on what that one stipulates.

Additionally, the validity of this settlement requires BOTH of these agreements to have been "executed", thus triggering ALPA's withdrawal of their grievance.

Have all three of those actions been accomplished ?

You see, I have read this agreement before and that was my original point of it being a "promise". My other point of having another post it here was to see if anyone has truly read it and understands its questionability given the present Chapter 11 situation. It seems to be shaky at best, filled with possible hidden land mines (depending on what the other agreement says), dependent upon actions which may or may not have occurred and as a last resort, its unkown ability to survive a bankruptcy by both of the offering parties.

Personally, I think it premature to consider this worth more than the paper it's printed on.

Starscream 02-26-2013 05:00 PM

''Opportunity'' and ''eligible'' were terms used in Letter 3/Supp W. The rights of pilots who held AA seniority numbers were never disputed by AA mgmt, hence they're flowing. There's no mention of AA mgmt disputing or objecting to the future rights of those Eagle pilots who'd comprise 35% of future AA newhire classes (i.e. the 'protected' AE pilots), even under bankruptcy. It was never mentioned under any 'term sheet.'

One thing I agree staunchly on...........that whole thing is indeed hardly worth the paper it is written on. It would take a damn long time for a pilot hired in 2011 to transfer to AA under that agreement. Any such pilot would likely have 3,000+ pilots hired off the street ahead of him/her between now and then. That ain't so hot.

eaglefly 02-26-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1360935)
''Opportunity'' and ''eligible'' were terms used in Letter 3/Supp W. The rights of pilots who held AA seniority numbers were never disputed by AA mgmt, hence they're flowing. There's no mention of AA mgmt disputing or objecting to the future rights of those Eagle pilots who'd comprise 35% of future AA newhire classes (i.e. the 'protected' AE pilots), even under bankruptcy. It was never mentioned under any 'term sheet.'

"Opportunity" was, but I don't recall the term "eligible". I don't have that contractual supplement handy though, so I may be wrong. The eligibility was completing IOE and meeting "CJ captain" status, but not used in that term. It was a minimal point anyway as the other issues are more questionable.

L3/SW was a contractual supplement with its own preamble, definitions and duration whereas this is simply a grievance resolution. Grievances can be wiped out along with contracts in Chapter 11. I don't know what the "other" agreement states, so it's difficult to know how it might impact this agreement. Eagle pilots leadership is awash in malfeasance and has hideously failed their pilots, so I'm not sure if either or both of these agreements have been executed and ALPA has dropped their grievance. Although AMR has CURRENTLY not overtly indicated any interest in altering this agreement, what the old management did may not be something new management is interested in, just like the present paint scheme and brand and the new management just got here.

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1360935)
One thing I agree staunchly on...........that whole thing is indeed hardly worth the paper it is written on. It would take a damn long time for a pilot hired in 2011 to transfer to AA under that agreement. Any such pilot would likely have 3,000+ pilots hired off the street ahead of him/her between now and then. That ain't so hot.

Agreed. As a practical benefit, it's weak. But, its future may be in question altogether depending on the whims of new management that did not negotiate this agreement and may not want the burden. The agreement between AMR and Eagle and ALPA that is unknown may provide more insight that offers an escape clause under certain circumstances and Chapter 11 with a management change has to be at the top of the list of opportunity to do that.


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