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Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1459423)

No they went east under the new hires and third listers thanks to our disgrace of a union. They now hold 190 capt because a 2011 hire can hold it.

Check your facts. This is completely false.

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Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1459423)

No they went east under the new hires and third listers thanks to our disgrace of a union. They now hold 190 capt because a 2011 hire can hold it.

Actually, that is only partially correct. Initially they came back to the East as new hires, with new "East" dates of hire. (Yes, behind some third-listers).

However, that "disgrace of a union" (as you put it) went to management to rectify the situation. It was the union that came up with the plan to fix their seniority based off of the Transition Agreement statement that "all pilots hired after the merger" (us third-listers) "will be junior to the pilots of both pre-merger lists." They reordered the list to put the West guys back where they belong.

It was the company that screwed up their seniority initially, but it was that "disgrace of a union" that made it right... Believe me, I'm no fan of our union, but they did do some things right....

Now the interesting question is what happens to the West guys that took recall to the East? Do they have to go back West or risk losing their place on the West list (get a new DoH based on East recall)? That seems a bit harsh considering a bunch bought houses and moved across the country to take recall to the East. That would be a costly move, just to get moved back East again in the next several years (after the AA merger finishes). Or will the company make a deal with USAPA to let them stay East since we're so close (relatively) to a final settlement to all of this?

Thanks Andy, maybe he will believe you.

I hope the company does the right thing with the west furloughs. These guys have been pawns and in limbo long enough.

Cacti you are an Angry little man...I just hope that someday you may actually enjoy your miserable existence..

Cacti, did you ever read grievance TA-9?

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Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1459688)

That day will come when we flush the scab union you created and the Nic. gets shoved up your rear end with no lube.

Dang! It's 5 o'clock somewhere, I hope.

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Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1459691)

Cacti, did you ever read grievance TA-9?

Which one was that?

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Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1459698)

Which one was that?

The one that USAPA filed for furlough out of seniority.

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Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1459703)

The one that USAPA filed for furlough out of seniority, for the west pilots.

I don't recall reading that one.

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Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1459706)

I don't recall reading that one.

It's on the website. USAPA argued that all third listers should be furloughed before anyone hired before them on east or west. They lost it. Had they won I don't think any west pilots would have been furloughed at all, or at least not as many and the would have been recalled quickly.

I thought this was the basis for the original ordering of west furloughs going east. I was surprised that their seniority was corrected.