Are you talking about me as a person? I'm just being honest about the effects on me. I didn't do it and tried to talk some sense into both sides before we went to war. Neither listened.

Funny that you say I'm not entitled to the seat I held in 2001. Your contract has first right of refusal to return to the seat displaced from, so under your contract, I have the right to it ahead of a westie. A westie that has NEVER been a captain at this airline.

I wonder how long it takes your F/Os to realize you are full of it.

Ok lets try and get this to where you can actually understand. Under my contract you are entitled to zero as you were not hired here. That first right of refusal is for west hired pilots not combined. Now the combined list you still would hold captain MAYBE. The seat you held back on 01 was taken due to corporate bankruptcy. The seat you hold now is due to your, east pilots absolute refusal to honor our agreements. Now I fully expect that west pilots will regain that which was OUT OF AGREEMENT taken. In other words we will prevail and west pilots will be taking capt and 330 seats in masses.

None of this ever needed to happen but the east is greedy and had to steal. Yeah Yeah I heard your argument before about the transition agreement and just like the DOJ your argument is very weak. The east chose to not pursue a contract because you all knew that by doing so triggered the award. This new merger will take care of all that as west pilots wont even sit res in Philly CLT and DCA. They will arrive as line holders and thanks to you in the east you all made that possible.

As for my being full of it? Thats your opinion and you are most certainly entitled to it.

WD at AWA

Ah, so pick and choose contract provisions so it only helps the west. Thanks for that integrity update.

They will arrive at that, if the Nic is used, because of the Nic windfall. Thanks for highlighting it.

I love it when you guys say I "stole" my CLT A320 captain bid.

Ok Relay you are not understanding at all today now are you? The ifrst right of refusal is a west contract provision that existed as part of the west CBA. This was negotiated as part of contract 04 long before anyone knew of a usair purchase. This is not something to which I remember as being part of the JNC however I could be wrong and in that case will stand corrected.

Stole is that only word to describe it relay. The east has completely ignored the results of the award and pursued a course of stalling until all east pilots too upgrades. Now after that point, your next move is very clear. The east will gladly throw up its hands and declare that the nic is the award but at the same time reminding us of the bump and flush provision. Never once did the east/usapa consider some of the "what if's". Like what if the company decided to downsize PHX and move flying out to Philly, CLT or DCA? Well that would constitute whats commonly known as a DISPLACEMENT and that my confused friend is not covered under the no bump and flush provision. No management team would ever agree to one either due to the shear cost involved where they would have to pay a pilot displaced who could no hold capt but flying with a jr to that person captain.

So you see in essence you have taken a seat that under the award you may or may not been able to hold. That being the case would mean that it was in fact stolen. This certainly should clear it up for you however will not hold out much hope in that regard.

WD at AWA

Okay, let's apply a little WD logic. I hear there is a west bid coming out with about 20 captain vacancies. Since you want to use the Nic, and you don't want first right of refusal, let's offer those vacancies in Nic order, with those oh so senior east west coast commuters in the top 517 getting to choose first. Otherwise, it's stealing. Right?

Go back to the document currently governing us, the transition agreement. Do you have a joint contract? NO, thus you cannot use a joint SL. Separate ops and it doesn't have an "except in the case of the mean old easties blocking a contract, etc."

Is that like the East pilots (especially the "Southern Division") constantly bleating that "Date of Hire is the only fair method of seniority integration"; but then "picking and choosing" when it's the only fair method?

As in, only when it benefits them, personally?

Integrity, indeed.

You really think Westies coming into those doms as captains and flying with East F/O's is going to work ?

I would think they'd have to build seperate bid sheets to keep the Hatfields and McCoys from killing each other. In fact, seperate crew rooms too. Look for new SIDs and STARs like the "Headlock 2 Departure" and the "Decapitation 3 Arrival".

That's pretty good.

It will work. Believe it or not, at times the PI/US merger was worse than this and that was without the internet. When guys start working together they realize we are really all the same and it gets better. Some never get over it,most do, the sane ones anyway.

I've flown with two west F/Os and both were extremely professional. The first was a pleasure, the second was a little standoffish, but did a good job and was a complete professional with a return to gate mechanical issue.

Exactly the same and if you have read my posts I have said just that.

Are you the east guy that quit and went to AWA in 2004?

Well here is how i look at it Eagle, they have choices either fly and deal with it or don't and quit. Now in the west we have a provision called a no fly list, the east does not and chooses to use management instead when there is a conflict. Frankly as I have indicated I could care less what they like and don't like.

WD at AWA