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satpak77 11-11-2013 12:18 PM

FOX NEWS reporting Virgin America anti-deal
 
Fox News reporting "breaking news" and anchors all having coronary's that Virgin America is filing a motion with the court against the deal.

Excuse me while I yawn. This is a strategic manuever by Virgin, if the merger is approved (which most people feel it will be), then Virgin can stand in line for slots which is "deserves" per their on-the-record complaint against the merger

BACK TO REGULAR PROGRAMMING

tsquare 11-11-2013 12:21 PM

Nevermind.. I see now what this is about. I forgot what section this thread was in. Yeah, everybody is gonna file some sort of motion to try and get a piece of whatever the .gov is gonna make LCC/AMR throw away. Let the Schumer bribes begin.

CanoePilot 11-11-2013 02:36 PM

Let me guess, it's one of those "we think it's a bad deal unless we get dca slots, then it's a great deal".

bikingflyer 11-11-2013 05:05 PM

Virgin enters fray to oppose US Airways-American deal - Yahoo Finance

Yup, they want slice of the merger pie also....

satpak77 11-11-2013 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 1517854)
Let me guess, it's one of those "we think it's a bad deal unless we get dca slots, then it's a great deal".

Yes exactly. Everyone is "going on record" because if they don't, when it is time to grab ex-AA slots, they may be asked "and your ticket to the slot ball, where is it?"

Uh uh duh uh

remember if it is not documented, it does not exist

(Expect Branson to come on CNBC/Bloomberg/etc and play cry me a river. he may even dab a handkerchief to his eyes)

CanoePilot 11-11-2013 05:11 PM

It's sad all the bottom feeder airlines see using the government as the only way they can expand into the better market. Take from those that have and give to those that have not. It's what the government does best.

satpak77 11-11-2013 05:13 PM

well the government DE-REGULATED the industry and as a result, Peoples Express, Texas International, Trump Airways, Morris, to some extent Reno and Valujet, etc were born out of that. A bunch of dudes got flight time in the meantime. So.....

By the way, the industry was de-regulated due to a push by democratic senators and signed off by Carter, a democrat. Flash forward to the current climate, and Obama and company whack-jobs are basically "regulating" things again via DOJ and using the guise of that. So that shows you how the parties have come around. Obama is REGULATING healthcare basically under the guise of Obamacare and creating all sorts of reforms and hoops that local home town doctor must jump thru. Etc. soapboxing sorry.

Obama is not a dummy. He is a Harvard Grad. His IQ is not in question. He will never come out and be caught saying "I want additional regulation" as this is career suicide. However the word "reform" is accepted and associated to "lets improve things" and this has been tossed around alot. However, under Obama, Reform = Regulation. Healthcare, Firearms Laws, "Big Business practices", "unfair" (???) salaries by Wall Street types, etc. etc

Later, thread drift. Back on target

LIOG41 11-11-2013 06:41 PM

Obama doesn't give a ****. He has bigger fish to fry.

ghilis101 11-11-2013 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1517980)
well the government DE-REGULATED the industry and as a result, Peoples Express, Texas International, Trump Airways, Morris, to some extent Reno and Valujet, etc were born out of that. A bunch of dudes got flight time in the meantime. So.....

By the way, the industry was de-regulated due to a push by democratic senators and signed off by Carter, a democrat. Flash forward to the current climate, and Obama and company whack-jobs are basically "regulating" things again via DOJ and using the guise of that. So that shows you how the parties have come around. Obama is REGULATING healthcare basically under the guise of Obamacare and creating all sorts of reforms and hoops that local home town doctor must jump thru. Etc. soapboxing sorry.

Obama is not a dummy. He is a Harvard Grad. His IQ is not in question. He will never come out and be caught saying "I want additional regulation" as this is career suicide. However the word "reform" is accepted and associated to "lets improve things" and this has been tossed around alot. However, under Obama, Reform = Regulation. Healthcare, Firearms Laws, "Big Business practices", "unfair" (???) salaries by Wall Street types, etc. etc

Later, thread drift. Back on target

This might be a bit of a stretch. There was no govt regulation motive to merge dal/nwa, ual/cal, or aa/us. This is about money, and those decisions are being made at the board of directors level. Yes we've come full circle, but they majors have realized you can be too big to fail, so grow or fail I guess...

satpak77 11-11-2013 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 1518142)
This might be a bit of a stretch. There was no govt regulation motive to merge dal/nwa, ual/cal, or aa/us. This is about money, and those decisions are being made at the board of directors level. Yes we've come full circle, but they majors have realized you can be too big to fail, so grow or fail I guess...

Correct. However the current administration via Holder does NOT want (without some sort of fight or slot giveaway anyway) the AMR/LCC merger.

bikingflyer 11-12-2013 06:49 AM

They want more then DC, NY...they want hub access....awesome (sarcasm)

Virgin America to Merging Airlines: Let Us Into Your Hubs - Businessweek

Twin Wasp 11-12-2013 07:32 AM

Just for the record, Texas International was not a child of deregulation. Trans Texas Airways, aka Tree Top, aka Tinker Toy, provided service to twenty six cities in Texas during the 50s and 60s. They changed their name to Texas International in 1969, nine years before the Airline Deregulation Act was signed.

Now back to whatever it is you're talking about.

satpak77 11-12-2013 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Twin Wasp (Post 1518337)
Just for the record, Texas International was not a child of deregulation. Trans Texas Airways, aka Tree Top, aka Tinker Toy, provided service to twenty six cities in Texas during the 50s and 60s. They changed their name to Texas International in 1969, nine years before the Airline Deregulation Act was signed.

Now back to whatever it is you're talking about.

Great info, I was mistaken. I know that is strange to hear on APC, but guess what ? I made a mistake. Have a great day

Andy 11-12-2013 08:08 AM

Congrats on the merger clearing DOJ. I hope that your management remembers VX's gate/slot grab attempt once the dust settles. ... perhaps they'll start when the EWR gates and slots you're leasing to VX come up for renewal?

CanoePilot 11-12-2013 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 1518377)
Congrats on the merger clearing DOJ. I hope that your management remembers VX's gate/slot grab attempt once the dust settles. ... perhaps they'll start when the EWR gates and slots you're leasing to VX come up for renewal?

Maybe AA will do to VX what DL is doing AS.

Andy 11-12-2013 08:27 AM

JBLU also painted a target on their backs. JetBlue CEO: AA should give up all D.C. slots in merger


One way to 'return the favor' is to hire a bunch of VX and JBLU pilots with apps in at USAirways and AMR.

CanoePilot 11-12-2013 08:30 AM

Jetblue pilots just got a huge pay raise.

The Drizzle 11-12-2013 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 1518398)
Jetblue pilots just got a huge pay raise.

And lost lots of other things.

amcflyboy 11-12-2013 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 1518398)
Jetblue pilots just got a huge pay raise.

No we didn't. Our hourly pay went up 13%, but Premium Pay went away. In the end, it was break even.:mad:

R57 relay 11-12-2013 11:24 AM

I saw the VA CEO on CNBC talking about the merger. He said that the slots in DC didn't help the little guy in Peoria. Remind me, how much service does VA have to Peoria, or any small city? What a crock.

GQpilot 11-12-2013 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 1518377)
Congrats on the merger clearing DOJ. I hope that your management remembers VX's gate/slot grab attempt once the dust settles. ... perhaps they'll start when the EWR gates and slots you're leasing to VX come up for renewal?

I think we already knew, Alaska good, Virgin bad.

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