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757HI,
I was trying to see where u were coming from on your post. Our guys, both USAPA and APA, have been working hand in hand trying to come up with a new JCBA. I don't know all of what went down while we were negotiating with Parker/Kirby last year, but I am sure we made some mistakes along the way as well had some success too. I know that we are trying to get nit pick all three contracts to try and fine tune the new deal. For instance, everyone seems to like the West's reserve system, so that is a good thing right? We all need to be pulling in the same direction in order for us to a maximize our gains. We can do that by having common clear cut goals, and then having a clear cut strategy on how to obtain these goals. Some of these goals and strategies will not be made public, for strategic reasons, but some of them will, because they will benefit both the pilot group and the company. I am cautiously optimistic on the new company, and will give them one chance to get this right. I believe that new team realizes that they have just one chance to get this right, or else it is all for not. We showed what an unhappy pilot group is capable of, by only doing our jobs. They don't want that to happen again, so I believe they will try make the correct moves to smooth out the new road in front of us. This is only my opinion, which is worth what you are paying for it. We will have good things and bad things in the contract, but the idea is to minimize to the maximum extent possible the bad things. We can learn from each other and make a positive change to this profession. Regards |
justfun,
I couldn't agree more. It's day one, so let's see where we are in six months ;-) As long as we don't get bogged down like AWA/US did we will be in good shape. I will say that a large component of the fUS/fAWA rift is a willing enabler in Parker. Unless a pilot is on the merger committee doing SLI work all we can do is send emails to our respective reps and committee members. Slinging mud at each other is useless; it's a complete waste of time and an energy drainer. The key to maintaining a timeline is to stick to the plan, accept whatever results come in, and keep moving forward. If anyone has that jointly produced detailed post POR timeline APA/USAPA put out please share it. |
Originally Posted by 757HI
(Post 1536482)
justfun,
I could not edit my post. Is this not a feature? At any rate, thanks for letting me see that pointing out tit-for-tat is counter productive. |
Originally Posted by ackattacker
(Post 1536085)
Yes, a great opportunity for the pilots to spend more money on their uniforms. Promote this man to management, stat!
Seriously, this is all just wild rumor, they haven't made any uniform decisions. IMHO hats are unlikely to be required, that ship has sailed. And the "New American" aesthetic is trying to be more modern. I'm 4th generation airline and this is the way everyone in my family and their associated piers did it. AAL is a legacy airline and we should live that legacy. Who are we to discount it?
Originally Posted by ForeverFO
(Post 1536348)
If anyone can explain or demonstrate the logic that says
"Double-breasted uniforms and hats = greater revenue = greater crew pay" then I'll buy a hat. And eat it. The first thing I do when I get home is rip off the tie and shirt, and lose the polyester trousers. Many guys on break on the WB's, even for only two hours, change clothes. Comfort means better rest, more alertness. How about khakis, polo shirts with a company logo, and a windbreaker jacket? Sign me up. On the opposite end of the spectrum, I believe there is a correlation that connects people of a lessor professional self-image with lower pay. A uniform presents an image of self-worth and a tone of authority to passengers, cabin crew, and to the individual wearing it. Polos, kakis and windbreakers may be more comfortable to wear, but a uniformed and professionally conducted pilot is more of an assurance to white knuckle and first time fliers. First impressions are everything. Someone who spends more time getting dressed for work with attention to uniform detail likely pays more attention to non-uniform related details. Last week I watched a pilot don his hat and jacket and leave an a321 cockpit to calm a passenger having a panic attack prior to boarding. We barely left on time, but because of him and his uniform we stayed on time with the passenger. Some pilots wear their uniform every time they jumpseat for a hassle free airport experience. Some get this hassle free experience because of the respect their uniform commands. A more formal uniform commands more respect. From that respect a person wearing a uniform should feel more self-worth and may translate this self-image into determination to do a better job and expect a proportional salary. As individuals we all view this subject differently, but there is a herd effect that is definitely affected by the quality of uniform standards. To me this discussion reminds me of an MLK quote: “If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as a Michaelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well.” ― Martin Luther King Jr. “If a man is called to [wear a uniform], he should [wear uniforms] even as a Michaelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should [wear uniforms] so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great [uniform wearing man] who did his job well.” ― Martin Luther King Jr. |
:D Well then, let's truly snazz it up and make it hyper-authoritative...
http://britishbattles.homestead.com/...ar_uniform.gif |
I like it...
less the hat. |
Originally Posted by flybywire44
(Post 1536704)
We are compensated to maintain a uniform. How do you think Pan Am and TWA pilots maintained their uniforms? Time and some money, but this not to say money out of pocket, but on a personal level we are monetarily responsible for maintaining our uniforms. No?
I'm 4th generation airline and this is the way everyone in my family and their associated piers did it. AAL is a legacy airline and we should live that legacy. Who are we to discount it? I always love the stories of those pilots who visit BKK, DEL or HKK on layovers and have and exactly tailored uniform made out of premium threads with company issue signature buttons and stripes. Some even get extra features, like embroidered names on silver lining with extra pockets. On the opposite end of the spectrum, I believe there is a correlation that connects people of a lessor professional self-image with lower pay. A uniform presents an image of self-worth and a tone of authority to passengers, cabin crew, and to the individual wearing it. Polos, kakis and windbreakers may be more comfortable to wear, but a uniformed and professionally conducted pilot is more of an assurance to white knuckle and first time fliers. First impressions are everything. Someone who spends more time getting dressed for work with attention to uniform detail likely pays more attention to non-uniform related details. Last week I watched a pilot don his hat and jacket and leave an a321 cockpit to calm a passenger having a panic attack prior to boarding. We barely left on time, but because of him and his uniform we stayed on time with the passenger. Some pilots wear their uniform every time they jumpseat for a hassle free airport experience. Some get this hassle free experience because of the respect their uniform commands. A more formal uniform commands more respect. From that respect a person wearing a uniform should feel more self-worth and may translate this self-image into determination to do a better job and expect a proportional salary. As individuals we all view this subject differently, but there is a herd effect that is definitely affected by the quality of uniform standards. To me this discussion reminds me of an MLK quote: of said another, albeit corny, way: Spot on man regarding professionalism and the uniforms. We should don the most reasonable and professional image possible at the new AA. There are other airlines out there that allow you to "dress down", if that's important to you, knock yourself out and go fly for them. |
Originally Posted by LIOG41
(Post 1536896)
Spot on man regarding professionalism and the uniforms. We should don the most reasonable and professional image possible at the new AA. There are other airlines out there that allow you to "dress down", if that's important to you, knock yourself out and go fly for them.
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What's wrong with the current uniform? Why add pieces when the current pieces aren't working. How about we get a better quality uniform and have it tailored? wearing a full uniform doesn't do squat if your pants don't fit or your shirt isn't tapered.
The hats are pointless these days anyway. |
Originally Posted by CanoePilot
(Post 1537032)
What's wrong with the current uniform? Why add pieces when the current pieces aren't working. How about we get a better quality uniform and have it tailored? wearing a full uniform doesn't do squat if your pants don't fit or your shirt isn't tapered.
The hats a pointless these days. |
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