AWA/US/APA contract morsels
#1
Meh...
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AWA/US/APA contract morsels
One thing that always drove me nuts as a line pilot during CBA negotiations is that we did not have access to industry contracts at OAL's like union leaders do.
I'd like to offer the AWA CBA to anyone that may wish a copy.
We should all have a copy of the current APA contract, if you don't get one ASAP. For any fUS's, west or east, that don't have a copy, you can download it on Wings.
All pilots of US and AA should have all three contracts. Education, knowledge, and collaboration is what will make us successful in the coming JCBA.
Sticking to fiefdom mentality, jealousy, and misdirected emotions like anger will divide our new group, weaken our resolve to focus on core issues, and dissolve sour solidarity handing the other side the leverage they need to out-negotiate us. Remember, the most powerful tool Parker's team has used against AWA/US pilots is the division of the group. Don't fall into that trap!
Now that we have that out of the way:
The thrust of this thread is for us to share our favorite morsels of our contracts and discuss our contracts features.
We are all adults so let's be sure to post with care.
-no personal attacks.
-stick to the topic, no thread creep.
-be civil and respectful with each other.
I'd like to offer the AWA CBA to anyone that may wish a copy.
We should all have a copy of the current APA contract, if you don't get one ASAP. For any fUS's, west or east, that don't have a copy, you can download it on Wings.
All pilots of US and AA should have all three contracts. Education, knowledge, and collaboration is what will make us successful in the coming JCBA.
Sticking to fiefdom mentality, jealousy, and misdirected emotions like anger will divide our new group, weaken our resolve to focus on core issues, and dissolve sour solidarity handing the other side the leverage they need to out-negotiate us. Remember, the most powerful tool Parker's team has used against AWA/US pilots is the division of the group. Don't fall into that trap!
Now that we have that out of the way:
The thrust of this thread is for us to share our favorite morsels of our contracts and discuss our contracts features.
We are all adults so let's be sure to post with care.
-no personal attacks.
-stick to the topic, no thread creep.
-be civil and respectful with each other.
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AWA short term disability.
If a pilot has a short term illness or injury, the beauty of short term disability is that in the case of a relapse, or new unrelated short term disability occurs before the pilots sick bank is replenished, the pilot will still have income.
Without a significant savings in a readily liquid account, after a short term disability with sick bank only, the pilot is exposed to severe financial hardship until the sick bank is replenished.
Keeping such a savings account is expensive, and in some cases not possible.
NEXT!
If a pilot has a short term illness or injury, the beauty of short term disability is that in the case of a relapse, or new unrelated short term disability occurs before the pilots sick bank is replenished, the pilot will still have income.
Without a significant savings in a readily liquid account, after a short term disability with sick bank only, the pilot is exposed to severe financial hardship until the sick bank is replenished.
Keeping such a savings account is expensive, and in some cases not possible.
NEXT!
#3
How about we make the JCBA process real quick easy and argument free.
Step 1. Gab a copy of Deltas contract
Step 2. Slide it across the table to Mgmt
Step 3. Inform them we want full implementation of this as soon as there is a list. (More than likely 2years) with a parity clause when Delta gets a new contract.
Step 4. Walk out door
If this doesn't work hire a high priced team of lawyers/ professional neogiators to negotiate a new contract similar to those the APA used to get there bankruptcy settlement.
Step 1. Gab a copy of Deltas contract
Step 2. Slide it across the table to Mgmt
Step 3. Inform them we want full implementation of this as soon as there is a list. (More than likely 2years) with a parity clause when Delta gets a new contract.
Step 4. Walk out door
If this doesn't work hire a high priced team of lawyers/ professional neogiators to negotiate a new contract similar to those the APA used to get there bankruptcy settlement.
#5
Not knowing if "Section III, paragraph 2b" of the APA contract is superior to the others in the same operational area, it's hard to make a comparison... which is why, yes, we need to educate ourselves. It's worth doing.
One example - AA has 100% DH pay, and Jan 1 it's business or better for INT'l at least. That's worth retaining.
One example - AA has 100% DH pay, and Jan 1 it's business or better for INT'l at least. That's worth retaining.
#6
How about we make the JCBA process real quick easy and argument free.
Step 1. Gab a copy of Deltas contract
Step 2. Slide it across the table to Mgmt
Step 3. Inform them we want full implementation of this as soon as there is a list. (More than likely 2years) with a parity clause when Delta gets a new contract.
Step 4. Walk out door
If this doesn't work hire a high priced team of lawyers/ professional neogiators to negotiate a new contract similar to those the APA used to get there bankruptcy settlement.
Step 1. Gab a copy of Deltas contract
Step 2. Slide it across the table to Mgmt
Step 3. Inform them we want full implementation of this as soon as there is a list. (More than likely 2years) with a parity clause when Delta gets a new contract.
Step 4. Walk out door
If this doesn't work hire a high priced team of lawyers/ professional neogiators to negotiate a new contract similar to those the APA used to get there bankruptcy settlement.
#8
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AWA has full pay no credit for DH. First is automatic, but only space available.
If a DH is on your pairing, you can check in early online to secure your FC seat. If you wait until you show up for the flight :45 prior, the agent says 'sorry Charlie'.
If a DH is on your pairing, you can check in early online to secure your FC seat. If you wait until you show up for the flight :45 prior, the agent says 'sorry Charlie'.
#9
What if your name isn't Charlie?
#10
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Pilot X,
LOL
AWA morsel of the day:
Duty rig. 5:15 pay/credit average per duty period.
I do mostly HI trips. The block hovers around 12 hours give or take, and the trip touches three days (32hour RON).
The pay is 15:45.
An Airbus guy does one short leg to a +24 hr layover, then flies 4hrs on day two and ends up back to base. Trip pays 10:30
A Four day pairing will pay 21:00
Rig or block whichever is higher.
LOL
AWA morsel of the day:
Duty rig. 5:15 pay/credit average per duty period.
I do mostly HI trips. The block hovers around 12 hours give or take, and the trip touches three days (32hour RON).
The pay is 15:45.
An Airbus guy does one short leg to a +24 hr layover, then flies 4hrs on day two and ends up back to base. Trip pays 10:30
A Four day pairing will pay 21:00
Rig or block whichever is higher.
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