Originally Posted by Maverick (Post 1593115)

Your right 15 years flying for AMR spending 10 years in the right seat while other regionals had 2 yr CA upgrades allowing them to get PIC time means we haven't paid our dues like them. Unless your a former intern it's gonna be real hard to get hired off the street from Eagle as AAG doesn't want to pull more guys from Eagle than they are required to thru the flow. So how is it fair that a 10000 hr eagle CA with no failures and lots of internal recs gets passed over for a guy with half as much experience and years in the industry. AA has my training records personnel file and attendance record. They know who they are getting. They have already got rid of the few they didn't want to flow thru various methods. Those few are now on the street. You have to remember that when all of us were hired we were given a seniority number when we finished IOE as jet captains. We understand outside things stopped that from happening but many came here 14-15 years ago for that reason and are now wanting what we deserve.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1593185)

...it's too bad you've allowed your personal biases to cloud your perceptions and objectivity.

Originally Posted by NC3rd (Post 1593134)

Eagle pilots' sense of entitlement is misplaced. How many pilots went to regionals and spent far longer time there then they had hoped, or weren't captains when they were told it would be a quick upgrade? Eagle pilots had the chance to leave find employment at a major on your own accord, but chose not to, and hoped they would be able to stay safely where they were and one would be given to them. RJ Captains with thousands of hours and no failures are a dime a dozen and doesn't make you more special than anyone else. Eagle is a regional airline just like many others, and its only some of their pilots who think they are "AA" already.

Originally Posted by The Drizzle (Post 1593278)

Sweet, delicious irony.

Originally Posted by rlkrutenat (Post 1592981)

Hoss, I understand completely your points but would like to offer some context. With full disclosure, I am a sixteen year Eagle check airman starting AA class in May. I've served as committee chair for Comm and Training since 2008 and i am familiar with letter 3/supplementW.

-Eagle expanding and taking mainline flying while some AA guys were furloughed for in excess of ten years.

This is true and very unfortunate. This was the "RJ decade" that was played out by all mainline managements to the detriment of every major airline pilot.

- the Eagle MEC doing anything and everything to not only prevent a large number of TWA guys from flowing back, but to also ensure that those that did flow back were eventually booted from the left seat.

The Eagle MEC did everything possible to defend Eagle pilots rights under Letter 3. This was a full time job as APA, AA, and AE were all creatively reinventing their obligation to Letter3/SuppW. APA played quite a sharpshooter role in this. I didn't take it personally. That's what unions do - they look out for their membership. But, no one was "booted" from a seat unfairly. Flowbacks held their seat under the seniority provisions of Letter 3/Suppw.

- Lousy (and some would say unfair) treatment of the flowbacks while in training and while flying the line.

It is probable that some flow backs experienced the "2%" element of our check airman cadre. But then again, all Eagle pilots experience this at one time or another. After a full investigation, APA itself concluded that there was no improper treatment of flow backs in training. It was determined that they were mostly unprepared for the high intensity training at Eagle. No joke - it really is. I did hear of some very isolated juvenile behavior on the line. But, I flew the line with many flow backs and I can tell you that most every Eagle pilot soon gained respect for our AA colleagues.

- The Eagle MEC suing and winning a court case allowing Eagle flow-ups to begin training at AA BEFORE several hundred that still remained furloughed. This delayed the recall for several months.

"If a seniority number doesn't mean a seniority number then what does it mean?" The arbitrator agreed.

- Someone from the Eagle MEC sending a letter to the president of AMR several years ago with an offer to fly 100 seat equipment for "reasonable" pay rates.

There will always be a few morons in every pilot group.

- Many at Eagle salivating at the thought of getting larger equipment (to perhaps include the airbus) during the AMR bankruptcy process.

2500 out of 2800 Eagle pilots will tell you.. "Put everything at AA - just take us with you."



Having said all this, my intent is to not perpetuate a ****ing contest. It is only to say that there are always three sides to a story. We are all very foolish if we allow airline managements turn us into cavemen bludgeoning each other over and over with these endless arguments.

Now more than ever, it is high time that ALL pilots - whoever wherever and whatever they fly - work together to bring some dignity and honor back to this profession.

Rich

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1593310)

Could you elaborate on the proclaimation of this tasty tidbit ?