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Commuting
Long ago I used to think, i'd never live in that "Mud-puddle" I'll commute.
But I just do not have the personality for it. Never have. So I live in base. My whole career. I love it. I do mentoring for the recallees and the new hires. I rarely visit the chief pilots office. Once a decade. Since I began speaking with actual new hires this week for the first time. I popped in. He said, "Never Lie, and call the flt office if you need anything and ask. Most of the issues for missed trips in MIA are due to commuting and it is a problem!" My friend aa73 commutes alot in his career here. He doesn't seem to have a problem. But then again, he is Charming and known to be a big tipper. Hopefully he'll chime in here. There is a Huge TDY for April. If you are a new hire and based in MIA and don't understand it feel free to write or post. |
Does AA have a commuter clause?
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Glad to say, I dont commute no mo! Live in DC and based here. Never want to commute again, it truly sucked.
Big tipper? You meant "stripper" right? �� Edit: in sims today and my sim P is Mike Ricotta, ex Reno. Says hi! |
I commute (one guess as to where from). We were in the Keys for a couple years; I loved driving into work. Commuting sucks, and as soon as I can be a non-commuter again, I will.
The loads for me are pretty easy to deal with out of MSY, but it's the sheer waste of time that gets to me. |
I don't recommend commuting - unless you want to stay married.
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Originally Posted by aa73
(Post 1600611)
Glad to say, I dont commute no mo! Live in DC and based here. Never want to commute again, it truly sucked.
Big tipper? You meant "stripper" right? �� Edit: in sims today and my sim P is Mike Ricotta, ex Reno. Says hi! |
I think everyone agrees commuting sucks and for some we are stuck doing it
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Unfortunately there are numerous reasons for commuting. One of the most unfortunate is due to the company closing the base you moved to and the lack of a relocation package that adequately compensates you for the forced move. Except for the brief period the base we moved to was open I commuted and never had a missed trip, however things have changed dramatically with the domination of the "Beagle" in our market and the ever increasing load factors, commuting sucks. As long as it is allowed pilots will commute. In my case the sacrifice in time and upgrades, had to remain senior to get commutable schedules, were worth it however if I was starting all over again in todays world I would never commute by airplane.
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I intend to commute only until the merger is complete, we have an ISL and I can hold DFW. Until then I can't force my wife to move her career around. Based on movement I'm hoping I'll only have to commute for a few years. We may even move to DFW in the meantime if a position opens up out there for my wife to transfer into, because there are far more options out of DFW than our current location.
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It's not TOO bad if you commute on your own mainline metal and there is decent frequency. Reserving the jumpseat makes it stress free. But the question is which jumpseat policy do we keep.....
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Soooo, does AA have a commuter clause?
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MIA can be a tough place to live. It's very expensive, and you get hit up with a lot of "hidden taxes" like the cost of auto insurance, which is 2x the national average. The cost of homeowners (with windstorm) will make you faint.
Plus the traffic is horrible. In the three county area (Dade, Broward, Palm Beach), the cost of living is extremely high in general. It's tough to even find "open country" until you get pretty far north into PBC, and from there, that's at least a 90 minute drive to KMIA. Some people, who are into the fishing or boating groove, dig it. But the unending grind of living down there annoys most people after a short while. Nu |
Originally Posted by bluelion
(Post 1603664)
Soooo, does AA have a commuter clause?
Missed flying is unpaid. It applies to planes, trains, and automobiles. |
Questions for those that commute.....
If one is on reserve how many nights are you averaging away from home? Same question for those holding a primary and secondary block.... Also for arguments sake let say your home has 3-4 mainline nonstop per day to and from your base. |
Originally Posted by JKflight
(Post 1604674)
Questions for those that commute.....
If one is on reserve how many nights are you averaging away from home? Same question for those holding a primary and secondary block.... Also for arguments sake let say your home has 3-4 mainline nonstop per day to and from your base. When I sat short call, I was averaging around 7-8 nights at home per month. On probation (and under our old reserve rules), I would come up the night before, so that ate into a day off. On long call (still on probation), there were times where Future would give me a trip that gave me an extra night at home, but I still would go up the night before if I didn't get one (just to be on the safe side). Now that I'm off probation, I do sit a home a little more often. I do this as long as I'm far enough down the list. When I'm close to the top of my bucket, I come into base. There's a small window, that if called, I can't make it during the 10 hours (the window was larger when it was 9 hours). Next month, I have my first Secondary. It's has 16 days off. Maybe 2-3 of the trips aren't front end commutable, so if I can't get anything off the bid sheet, I'll have to come up the night before. However, I'll definitely be home more. Commuting sucks, but with our jumpseat system (which I pray survives), it does take some of the stress out of things. Hopefully, we'll work everything out before too long and I can be based at home. |
Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
(Post 1604703)
Commuting sucks, but with our jumpseat system (which I pray survives), it does take some of the stress out of things. Hopefully, we'll work everything out before too long and I can be based at home.
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Reserved by phone on a first come first served basis. 7 days from departure.
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 1604722)
Reserved by phone on a first come first served basis. 7 days from departure.
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Even if the plane is weight restricted you still get on. They'll even pull a passenger off, for mainline only.
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How long are most guys being hired now on short call before moving to long call?
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Originally Posted by aa73
(Post 1600611)
Glad to say, I dont commute no mo! Live in DC and based here. Never want to commute again, it truly sucked.
Big tipper? You meant "stripper" right? �� Edit: in sims today and my sim P is Mike Ricotta, ex Reno. Says hi! |
It's pretty senior in that it's small (80 737 CA/FOs, even less on the S80) so movement is very slow. Bottom pilot here is around mid-8000s and I only see bid awards into here maybe every 3-4 months. Took me 6 months to get awarded it from when I put my bid in (I got withheld) and I am in the high 6000s. So might be a while to get awarded it...of course, with all the movement around here, that could change overnight.
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Commuting
The good news, then, is DCA is the junior base for US Airways. You can likely get it in Indoc (if not, shortly thereafter) and it's your fastest path to a line (outside of the E190, of course.)
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Originally Posted by kingairip
(Post 1608514)
The good news, then, is DCA is the junior base for US Airways. You can likely get it in Indoc (if not, shortly thereafter) and it's your fastest path to a line (outside of the E190, of course.)
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Originally Posted by Pirate
(Post 1608557)
Interesting. It'll be "fun" to see how the bases settle out after SLI!
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Originally Posted by MarineGrunt
(Post 1608619)
Anyone have guesses on how long the SLI will take? It looks like its not going so well right now...
Say two to three. Capt H |
How big a difference will a new-hire see based on whether an Airways or AA hire, given a couple years until SLI completion. Dumb question?
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Originally Posted by DakBroadbent
(Post 1608971)
How big a difference will a new-hire see based on whether an Airways or AA hire, given a couple years until SLI completion. Dumb question?
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I'm a US new hire and curious as well.
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Originally Posted by DakBroadbent
(Post 1608971)
How big a difference will a new-hire see based on whether an Airways or AA hire, given a couple years until SLI completion. Dumb question?
"Big a difference" in what? How soon you hold a line? What your merged seniority number will be? Pay in year 2? ??? |
Commuting
The US Airways side will have significantly more attrition in the next few years.
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Originally Posted by kingairip
(Post 1609054)
The US Airways side will have significantly more attrition in the next few years.
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My guess is end of next year.
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
(Post 1609060)
Is that from retirements or people leaving to other airlines?
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I concur all due to retirements. I haven't heard of anyone mentioning leaving that is here, even that have no chance to be home based. The amount of movement is unreal. I was hired in aug of 2013, move on average 10-15 numbers a month up the 190 list. Presently only a couple people short of holding a secondary on the small bus in philly. It's incredibly fast.
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Is there any advantage for going with US vs AA in the long run? Post merger new hires should be integrated by DOH, right? Just go with the first that offers a class date?
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
(Post 1609060)
Is that from retirements or people leaving to other airlines?
Originally Posted by The Drizzle
(Post 1609136)
Retirements. It's not a large number, but a large percentage.
For those wondering, here are the data for the next five years*: Legacy AA (Total Pilots = 9,600) Retirements / Total since 2014 / Percent of list 2014 83 83 1% 2015 112 195 2% 2016 135 330 3% 2017 190 520 5% 2018 300 820 9% Legacy US (Total Pilots = 5,159) Retirements / Total since 2014 / Percent of list 2014 171 171 3% 2015 173 344 7% 2016 206 550 11% 2017 234 784 15% 2018 262 1046 20% (* - Data were pulled off of APC several months ago. kingairip makes no claims on their veracity and will not be held responsible for any career decisions made as a result of this data.) |
Originally Posted by Snoopy 01
(Post 1609176)
Is there any advantage for going with US vs AA in the long run? Post merger new hires should be integrated by DOH, right? Just go with the first that offers a class date?
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I'm on the 190 hired in oct sat short call reserve, Dec-Feb, March and April have been long call lines, should hold a secondary line by June. But the previous posters are right about only getting about 7-8 days a month at home due to the fact that I have to come in the night before since there are only 2 flts a day from slc to phl. All a means to an end. Since oct there's already over 300 people under me. Give it a couple years and you'll be able to be based where ever you want.
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Originally Posted by kingairip
(Post 1609182)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonwolf Is that from retirements or people leaving to other airlines? Quote: Originally Posted by The Drizzle Retirements. It's not a large number, but a large percentage. I don't think that was a serious question. For those wondering, here are the data for the next five years*: Legacy AA (Total Pilots = 9,600) Retirements / Total since 2014 / Percent of list 2014 83 83 1% 2015 112 195 2% 2016 135 330 3% 2017 190 520 5% 2018 300 820 9% Legacy US (Total Pilots = 5,159) Retirements / Total since 2014 / Percent of list 2014 171 171 3% 2015 173 344 7% 2016 206 550 11% 2017 234 784 15% 2018 262 1046 20% (* - Data were pulled off of APC several months ago. kingairip makes no claims on their veracity and will not be held responsible for any career decisions made as a result of this data.) |
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