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DCA A321 FO 05-17-2014 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1644717)
Worse yet, some managers have even suggested that David's presentation is "emotional" and "overreaching."

I have watched a couple of the PHX crew news, you guys/gals are emotional.

algflyr 05-17-2014 05:28 PM

So the honeymoon with the APA is over? But they love you so much! Remember, they are going to fight for all those widebody positions that should be yours and not some APA pilot...

cactusmike 05-17-2014 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO (Post 1645515)
I have watched a couple of the PHX crew news, you guys/gals are emotional.

Actually the worst ones have been east pilots.

We acquired you. You would have been pushing brooms at Home Depot or applying for jobs at SWA when they took over the PHL hub.

Everyone I have talked to at American has been appalled at how unprofessional east pilots have been. Your FOQUA numbers prove it.

A321 05-17-2014 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 1645548)
Actually the worst ones have been east pilots.

We acquired you. You would have been pushing brooms at Home Depot or applying for jobs at SWA when they took over the PHL hub.

Everyone I have talked to at American has been appalled at how unprofessional east pilots have been. Your FOQUA numbers prove it.

It's FOQA, but that's not important right now. Not sure what you thought the U might stand for? Flight Operations Quality (U're something else) Assurance.

R57 relay 05-17-2014 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 1645548)
Actually the worst ones have been east pilots.

We acquired you. You would have been pushing brooms at Home Depot or applying for jobs at SWA when they took over the PHL hub.

Everyone I have talked to at American has been appalled at how unprofessional east pilots have been. Your FOQUA numbers prove it.

No Mike, the worst are the west, by a long shot.

You didn't "acquire" us. We merged, using the cash raised to combine the airlines and pay off and restructure the debt. AWA didn't have the cash to buy a coke, much less an airline.

So how would you know what the FOQA numbers show? Are you a gatekeeper? Are you letting out confidential information?

Go sleep it off.

NTR32 05-18-2014 12:40 AM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 1645374)
How can a professional pilot sink so low? Classless! Any anger issues you want to tell the FAA about?

The entertainment value of this clowns (cacti) rant: priceless.

Last summer I rode on a 757 from DC to Phoenix & during the captains PA at the gate he said welcome aboard America West, paused & then said US Airways. Same dude??

That's the only former AWA guy I've ever seen act that way...

flybywire44 05-18-2014 02:07 AM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1644717)
Here it is.


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Fellow America West pilots,

Several weeks ago, Captains John Hale and Bob Johnson, Flight Department leadership from American Airlines, invited AWA First Officer David Braid to meet with them at American Airlines Headquarters in Dallas to discuss a variety of issues facing West pilots. David, taking the invitation very seriously, spent countless hours of his free time researching and preparing a 46-page PowerPoint presentation to present to Captains Hale and Johnson. In composing the presentation, David spoke to several respected AWA subject matter experts, and in addition consulted company SEC filings and other citable sources upon which his presentation was based to ensure factual accuracy. David even went so far as to consult the PHX Chief Pilots office in advance of the meeting, and received their blessing and support.

A copy of the presentation may be downloaded HERE. In short, the presentation describes the proverbial "island" the PHX domicile has become as a result of the spiteful actions of USAPA and certain East managers, and the willful neglect of our corporate leadership. Fully cognizant that neither Captain Hale nor Captain Johnson were a party to any of these acts, the presentation only asked that the disparate treatment cease.

On April 8, 2014, David flew to Dallas and had what he described as a "successful" meeting with Captains Hale and Johnson. David stated that he believed that his presentation was well received by Captains Hale and Johnson. At the close of the meeting, Captain Hale promised David to research the issues presented and provide him some answers within a few weeks.

Unfortunately, since that April 8 meeting, life on the "island" has continued to degrade significantly. The entire base remains critically staffed, and our pairings have degraded to a dangerous level never previously seen. For the June bid period, the company is using the "flex" provision in the AWA contract for the first time in 9 years to build First Officer lines as high as 94 hours over the summer. This comes only one year after the company's decision to unilaterally slash long-standing quantities of summer vacation allocation, resulting in perhaps the worst staffing-driven operational disaster PHX has seen. Additionally, there is no relief to come, as many long-time West check airmen have recently resigned allegedly due to their degrading working conditions in the Training Department (the only department still lead by an East pilot). While conditions continue to deteriorate to unprecedented levels on the PHX island, both the East and the AA sides of the company continue to be flush with record movement and hiring. While the lack of movement may affect some of our pilots more than others, the most concerning bit about this situation is the potential weapon that it creates for use against us by both USAPA and APA in the McCaskill-Bond seniority integration process.

A few days ago, Captain Hale contacted David, as promised, to provide him a response to his April 8 presentation. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, Captain Hale informed David that the company would not take any action to remedy our situation. Worse yet, following the adverse reaction to this news by many of our pilots, the company began a grass-roots crew room effort to prevent an operational meltdown over the summer. The essence of the company's crew room message is that things in PHX will be "fixed" at some uncertain point in the future by some unknown and uncertain remedy. Our pilots, and particularly our captains, are asked to be "patient" about our situation, and pay no attention to the ongoing and worsening disparities between PHX and the other parts of the airline. Worse yet, some managers have even suggested that David's presentation is "emotional" and "overreaching."

We sent this message because we believe that all America West pilots should be aware of these facts. We encourage all pilots to review the presentation and draw their own conclusions about our situation.

AWAPPA

I'd love to see the presentation, but do you have another link that does not require registration?

PurpleTurtle 05-18-2014 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by flybywire44 (Post 1645754)
I'd love to see the presentation, but do you have another link that does not require registration?

Just think about mixing up a novel, a comedy, a tragedy and a pound cake, all while listening to a metronome drone on for an hour.

757HI 05-18-2014 08:19 PM

What was the safety record of US and AWA pre merger?

How many fatalities do east vs west have?

How many east pilots have SHOT their own aircraft vs west?

How many runway run offs post merger of east and west? Don't forget the east crew that while "racing" to beat a west aircraft to the only US gate taxied right into the mud.

No FOQA data needed, just check on the DOT's accident database.

I don't allow my family to fly on east metal, it's a no brainer.

Capt Hindsight 05-18-2014 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by 757HI (Post 1646466)
I don't allow my family to fly on east metal, it's a no brainer.

Since you're fairly senior, let me the first in the east to thank you for the good news. The planes are getting crowded out here.

Capt H


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