Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1699957)

You prefer the law ?

Please. You can't even abide by binding arbitration.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1700221)

We abided by the contract and the law. We will continue to do so. :)

The West begged to have the "final and binding" subject to contingencies, and then they didn't want to live by their word and the contingencies that came about. Hypocrites.

Those that abide by the law will be happy. Those that fight it will fight a vain fight.

Originally Posted by Frisco727 (Post 1700229)

What a bunch of garbage.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1700234)

The West paid millions to provide proof in the courts. The East was exonerated and the proof is published in the courts, compliments of the West, multiple times.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1700267)

I know there is no hope convincing Purple Turtle, but the East was not exonerated. What the courts said was that the West has to wait until they have been screwed by the East and then sue. That is all, not that the East was right, just that they haven't pulled the trigger on the gun yet so there is no murder.

The courts don't like to interfere in negotiations so they generally do not allow a DFR case unless the negotiations are over. So the East has continually proposed solutions that are clear violations of the DFR, but they have never been able to close the deal, therefore the courts say "Not Yet".

In their continual lunacy, the East pilots claim this as a legal victory. It is not, the string is running out. Both the APA and AMR management want nothing to do with inheriting the liability for the insane plans of the East pilots to avoid the arbitrated list. What you see now are the desperate final death throes of USAPA and their twisted view of the world. No one will miss them. In the end, they will be crushed and then a bunch of East pilot leaders will have a lot of splainin to do. It is just sad that these few people dragged down their entire pilot group with them.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1700366)

Unfortunately the West failed to understand one simple legal reality... An arbitration is only enforceable to the extent provided for in the contract that establishes the arbitration to begin with.. In the case of the Nic, it was the 2005 TA. Both the company and USAPA abided by the 2005 TA, and that contract is now a legal nullity. No one has to like it, but legal efforts opposed to reality are both costly and futile.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1700141)

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Originally Posted by flybywire44


Eagle, I don't want you to feel intimidated. APC, is a safe place and I doubt anyone here means any harm towards you. Otherwise, know this community, and especially newAA pilots would race to have your back. Project Wingman is a great example of this.

My original message was a mobile phone typo: "Please, please don't label whole groups of people..."




Mobile phone typo ?

Please.........or should I say, "PLease,

Please ?

I've made those and we all make those, but two capitals, THEN a comma followed THEN by a large paragraphical gap ?

Uh-huh, sure.........we both know that wasn't any "typo". If you do some research on other threads, you'll find similar failed attempts to intimidate me by erroneous outing including initials and even nicknames, but at least they were honest about what they were trying to do and not hiding behind baloney like that.

.....and you wonder why I come to some of the conclusions I do ?


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Originally Posted by flybywire44


You should not judge groups of people as being better or worse based on actions they are not associated with. 800 USAPA pilots came after the East/West fiasco. If your ideas are strong than let them stand on their own free of insult. I know it's convenient, but let's all pretend to have higher emotional intelligence, and communicative skill. Let's take a step back from the Westicals, East Hole, Usapaian mantras.




While were improving our emotional intelligence, how about addressing our ethical standards ?

I've stated this before, but I've met many apparently decent pilots from both sides of the US Airways fence, so I have nothing against any "group" per se and all of those I've met were present USAPA members.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1700398)

That process was followed to its conclusion when the company accepted the Nicolau award. Everyone else in the entire world besides USAPA understands that.
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Originally Posted by flybywire44 (Post 1700837)

Oh eagle, you're so dramatically paranoid.

Originally Posted by flybywire44 (Post 1700837)

Everyone's out to either get you, or your seniority. [

Originally Posted by flybywire44 (Post 1700837)

You didn't happen to notice that pl is next to ok did you? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by flybywire44 (Post 1700837)

Don't sweat the insurmountable small stuff too much.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1700366)

Unfortunately the West failed to understand one simple legal reality... An arbitration is only enforceable to the extent provided for in the contract that establishes the arbitration to begin with.. In the case of the Nic, it was the 2005 TA. Both the company and USAPA abided by the 2005 TA, and that contract is now a legal nullity. e.