As a Delta guy, I have no idea what a Group III plane is, the only groups we have are WB and NB. Also, we don't have an A321 rate in the PWA. The company has ordered some, but still needs to negotiate a pay rate. Probably gonna happen in the C15 negotiation.

My bad, it's UAL where the 321 and 757 pay the same. The 319 and 737-7 pay less.

UAL doesn't have 321s. Jeffy can't seem to see beyond the 737.

Well apparently your "NB" and "WB" rates are different within each group. Group III refers to a pay band. Do all "WB" planes at Delta pay the same? If so, then the pay rates at APC are wrong... It shows a 747 pays more than a 767... Both "WB" aircraft.

UAL has 321 pay rates. And it's the same as the 757.....and the A320 and 737-800.

AA and DL have the 757 at 767 pay rates.

Delta doesn't pay band by group. Certain categories are blended, like the 757/767, (but the 767-400 is not included,) the A319/320 and the M88/90. All the 737s pay the same. Also, the 747/777 pay the same, but I believe that was a political move from the merger so neither side could claim they brought the highest paying seat to the party. (But we know who actually did! ;) )

I guess my point wasn't to get mired down into how each company breaks out their pay rates, but to point out that although UAL doesn't operate any 321s, if they did, they would pay the same as a 757...which makes sense because the 321 is almost the same size as the 757.

Most of the 757-200s seat right around 200 pax. Our A321s seat 187...close enough in my book. You'll also notice that UAL's 737-8 rates are the same as the 757, for probably the same reason.

The JCBA is supposed to be cost neutral. People don't' seem to realize if we get more money in one area it's got to come at the expense of another. I don't like it either but the MOU makes it clear that the pie is going to be the same size and the only thing allowed to change are the size of slices.

That is true...although, if the company accepts the APA proposal of DAL pay rates now plus 3% for the next 3 years, that puts off the true DAL parity that would have happened in 2016...and if DAL gets a big raise in 2015, the company would be saving a great deal over the length of this JCBA...so maybe that's where the profit sharing $ would come from, etc.

I would honestly like better work rules over pay raises. It's nice making big pay rates but if you have to work 20 days a month then pay rates aren't that nice.