Can someone explain this HBT thing they are proposing?

The details are indeed known and essentially all of APA's proposals were ignored. This is NOT any type of Delta "parity" proposal from Parker, simply an offer to present Delta rates for scope concessions. Our CBA will fall FAR short of Delta pilots. Yes, it's not likely under the best of circumstances that a negotiated agreement will match Delta in all respects, but this offer is ludicrous and arbitration would result in similar rates only delayed a year.

In exchange for that slap in the face, Parker gets the old AA and he'll lose right along with us, so at least well be holding hands. :rolleyes:

HBT is "Home Base Time" used when calculating duty and rest issues. FAR's nor safety related items have no business being watered down, at least by any airline executive seeking to resolve "trust" issues.

Scope concession? They removed the 5 additional seat concession they were seeking. It's off the table. Seems like the company sees it's a no go for us.

MOU Scope details:

25. Section 1 (Recognition and Scope) of the MTA shall be the 2012 CBA as modified in a. through f. below.

a. The maximum number of commuter aircraft as a percentage of the Mainline Narrow-Body Fleet shall not exceed 75%.

b. The maximum number of large regional commuter aircraft as a percentage of the Mainline Narrow-Body Fleet shall not exceed 30% through 2014, 35% in 2015 and 40% thereafter.


------------------------

This current offer:

1) The number of regional/small jets with greater than thirty (30) seats (as operated) up to and including seventy (70) seats (as operated) plus the number of regional/small jets operated under clause (2) below that may be operated under Section 1.D. shall not exceed seventy-five percent (75%) of the number of the Company's Narrowbody Aircraft that are Aircraft in Service.

(2) The number of such regional/small jets with greater than seventy (70) seats (as operated) up to and including seventy-six (76) seats (as operated) that may be operated under Section 1.D. shall not exceed the following percentages of the number of the Company's Narrowbody Aircraft that are Aircraft in Service in the calendar years indicated:
(a) 2013 - 2014 30% (b) 2015 35% (c) 2016 & beyond 40%

What am I missing. The scope looks the same. I very well could be wrong, as I am writing this in a hurry.

The seats are still there, just in a different form......more 70-seat airframes. They know scope is a sore spot and then add insult to injury by thinking we'll miss what they did. Most of us didn't.

That is NOT how one "builds trust".

Looks like you missed it though. Considering your posts on this thread, are you really this gullible and naive or are you just pulling my leg ?

He didn't give you all the verbiage from the MOU. Instead of adding 5 seats to the 76 seaters, they are adding 5 seats to the 30-65 seat small jet. 70-76 seat RJ's are limited to 40%, however now they can have all 75% of the RJ fleet at 70 seats or above.

This POS land grab in the midst of a $4B profit year? These carpet baggers are bigger pr!€k$ than I imagined....

I was extremely pessimistic but they exceeded every lousy expectation. Beatings will continue until you $TFU.

They upped the seat limit on the smaller RJ's to get their increase there and by doing so also effectively would likely get more airframes. Looks like they want to make more use of E-170/CRJ-700 sized aircraft to replace some of the 50-seat and smaller as opposed to 76-seat E-175.

Again, considering the unavoidable future of the regionals, one asks "why", especially at the expense of trust ?

If they want a Delta scope, match Delta pilots CBA in all respects including profit-sharing and a "me too" clause applying Delta pilot gains concurrently to us.

So MOU states 40% large RJ and this offer is 75%?

I'm lost, but understand the rhetoric being said. Just looking for the cold hard numbers