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inline five 01-12-2015 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1801601)
Well, everyone wanted complete language, right? :D

Funny how many of them never knew we had a 1-3.25 rig in the MOU and the APA gave it up.

What is being lost in the JCBA pales in comparison to what was lost when signing the MOU/MTA.

eaglefly 01-12-2015 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1801606)
What is being lost in the JCBA pales in comparison to what was lost when signing the MOU/MTA.

So, two wrongs make a right ?

Fail.

inline five 01-12-2015 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1801633)
So, two wrongs make a right ?

Fail.

Try to keep it in perspective was my point.

PurpleTurtle 01-12-2015 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1801640)
Try to keep it in perspective was my point.

Perspective?

They have $10B in profits the first two years of a merger that Parker said was only supposed to net $1B a year.

He didn't tell us the truth on the numbers when we were negotiating the MOU, you know he isn't telling us the truth on the numbers now.

They need to come clean, and the only way that happens is if we vote to reject their concession demands.

inline five 01-12-2015 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1801799)
Perspective?

They have $10B in profits the first two years of a merger that Parker said was only supposed to net $1B a year.

He didn't tell us the truth on the numbers when we were negotiating the MOU, you know he isn't telling us the truth on the numbers now.

They need to come clean, and the only way that happens is if we vote to reject their concession demands.

Yeah, because Parker knew oil was going to fall 50% in 6 months.

It's all managements fault for not letting us in on their magic 8 ball predictions.

It's guys like you whom will never be satisfied, no matter what.

I don't think the $1 bil was profit. It was benefits. Airways was making close to $1 bil a year by themselves.

EDIT:
Here it is, from 2 years ago. $1 billion in combined benefits. FYI benefits are not the same as profits.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/american...ce-11b-merger/

Just trust them 01-12-2015 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1801865)
Yeah, because Parker knew oil was going to fall 50% in 6 months.

It's all managements fault for not letting us in on their magic 8 ball predictions.

It's guys like you whom will never be satisfied, no matter what.

And it's the the US Airways pilots fault that L-US Airways has been through 2 bankruptcy's that gutted their contract and robbed their pension?

And it's the American Airlines Pilots fault that they went through a sham bankruptcy to gut their contract and pave the way for merger?

And now the pilot's have the arrogance to attempt to maintain what is left of the Contract, in a time of unprecedented profits, at a time where the industry after a failed de-regulation has returned to oligopoly, by saying 'No' to the Company's generosity?

The questions are rhetorical, don't bother answering.

But I do have an actual question;

Are you freelancing or did they hire you? If you're still freelancing, here's the website where you can submit your resume:

F&H Solutions Group

Saabs 01-12-2015 01:44 PM

And cost neutral arbitration. ..

PurpleTurtle 01-12-2015 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1801865)
Yeah, because Parker knew oil was going to fall 50% in 6 months.

It's all managements fault for not letting us in on their magic 8 ball predictions.

It's guys like you whom will never be satisfied, no matter what.

I don't think the $1 bil was profit. It was benefits. Airways was making close to $1 bil a year by themselves.

EDIT:
Here it is, from 2 years ago. $1 billion in combined benefits. FYI benefits are not the same as profits.

American Airlines, US Airways announce $11B merger - CBS News

I'm glad you brought up oil. The lower cost of oil doesn't even begin to explain the historic Billions in profit... but it does explain why American Airlines is supposed to make at least an extra $1.3B over and above Delta and United (because DAL and UAL hedged fuel). American positioned to save more than rival airlines on jet fuel in 2015 - MarketWatch

Nevertheless, do you really care how DUI was ably to amass $10Billion in profits in just two years? I don't.

I think its great. Now we know he can afford to pay us like he promised to!

Don't forget to keep perspective.... Parker has $10Billion, and a promise to keep... :cool:

jcountry 01-12-2015 02:18 PM

I'm confused.

I see nothing about scope.

Am I plain missing it-it is that one of the blank sections?

dvhighdrive88 01-13-2015 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 1796688)
Let me get this straight: the above poster is advocating for furloughees to accrue payscale longevity while they are on furlough?

You got to be kidding. If you're laid off, then you don't work here. All benefits and movement stops while you're gone. You shouldn't move up through the payscale while you're not active. Sorry about your luck, but laid off is laid off.

Does your mother know you turned out this way?


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