Missing Contract Language - Slow Down People
01-05-2015 | 06:22 AM
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Missing Contract Language - Slow Down People
I understand we all would like to resolve this contact, BUT SLOW DOWN! How can we make an educated choice until we know the details? I will not vote to approve any contract from a Power Point presentation. Demand Final Contract Language before they allow voting. Ask, why the high pressure rush job from Management? Scares me. Vote YES or NO, but please have all the details first.
01-05-2015 | 06:26 AM
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I understand we all would like to resolve this contact, BUT SLOW DOWN! How can we make an educated choice until we know the details? I will not vote to approve any contract from a Power Point presentation. Demand Final Contract Language before they allow voting. Ask, why the high pressure rush job from Management? Scares me.
01-05-2015 | 06:26 AM
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I understand we all would like to resolve this contact, BUT SLOW DOWN! How can we make an educated choice until we know the details? I will not vote to approve any contract from a Power Point presentation. Demand Final Contract Language before they allow voting. Ask, why the high pressure rush job from Management? Scares me.
01-05-2015 | 06:28 AM
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That's the way I took it. I don't think many are saying they'll blindly vote yes on anything thrown their way. Most who say they'll vote yes will vote yes barring any gross contractual issues present in the language. Given the company asks, they seem pretty specific, so that language shouldn't be overly complex.
01-05-2015 | 06:48 AM
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We get burned on this all the time. We voted for a MOU that had a 1-3.25 rig for trips with more days than DPs, only to have the APA give it away.
One sad fact is that the contracts are written in a way that 10 guys could read it and get 10 different interpretations. Probably by design.
I want the theory that the company 100% cannot get HBT in arbitration spelled out in clear terms.
We have a lousy track record with arbitration.
01-05-2015 | 07:02 AM
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No thanks.
01-05-2015 | 12:11 PM
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You not only need "the whole deal to review", you need the TIME to review it. Wonder why there is such a rush to a deal? Joe will sign.
01-05-2015 | 12:26 PM
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Absolutely. But how many will read it? From the posts on here about rigs it's obvious that few have even opened up the MTA.
We get burned on this all the time. We voted for a MOU that had a 1-3.25 rig for trips with more days than DPs, only to have the APA give it away.
One sad fact is that the contracts are written in a way that 10 guys could read it and get 10 different interpretations. Probably by design.
I want the theory that the company 100% cannot get HBT in arbitration spelled out in clear terms.
We have a lousy track record with arbitration.
We get burned on this all the time. We voted for a MOU that had a 1-3.25 rig for trips with more days than DPs, only to have the APA give it away.
One sad fact is that the contracts are written in a way that 10 guys could read it and get 10 different interpretations. Probably by design.
I want the theory that the company 100% cannot get HBT in arbitration spelled out in clear terms.
We have a lousy track record with arbitration.
01-05-2015 | 12:30 PM
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Give the man a cigar! Everything done at this level is planned far in advance. Abso-damn-lutely by design. That is why the company pays the big bucks (if you found out how much the company was paying their attorneys you would eat a bottle of Tums). I will also abso-damn-lutely guarantee there are ten different versions already written, depending on need. My record was 22 variations. I made a killer bonus that year.
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