No seriously I thought you were on the committee because you are speaking as if it were already discussed and put out in a resolution.

Am I detecting a bit of sarcasm and if so why?

WD at AWA

That's the golden question. We have judge Silver stating an arbitration is an indication of a fair result and discarding an arbitration places a union "on dangerous grounds." Then you have Javits asking Pauley "are you now the new Nicolau" indicating he clearly doesn't believe Pauley has the authority to decide what's fair in combining the East and West. I fail to see how an AA MC will get a better reception deciding how the East and West list should be combined. There are no separate East and West equities. The company has been merged since 2005. AA can propose whatever they like but the only combined Airways list which exists, and has been accepted by Doug Parker, is the NIC. No other list has been accepted by Parker and I'm not even sure one has been proposed by USAPA.

This is a lesson that was learned in the cal/ual arb award, I don't see the same arbitrator not using the same logic.

Eagle = Turtle... Hence, the sarcasm-laced responses when their bull$h!t catches up with either of them. Seriously, the two are much alike in that they both attempt to pass off their opinions as facts. Verbose, sarcastic and opinionated, these two apples I think fell from the exact same tree. I mean, professing in multiple posts to know what the AA merger committee's position is on Nicolau? And then announcing said position on a public message board??? Ha ha ha ha

Yeah, sure. I think I will just continue to wait comfortably for the arbitrators to rule

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Remember, the East pilots have already admitted that they were operating under a single network with a single management since 2005..[/QUOTE]

Please note #3


September 2005, US Airways, America West and ALPA entered in to a Transition Agreement that was designed to integrate operations and combine the pilots groups of the two airlines. This integration, however, was contingent on three events: (1) the post-merger airline obtaining a single FAA certificate; (2) the creation of a single seniority list; and (3) the negotiation of a single CBA which would cover both East and West Pilots.

[QUOTE=FreighterGuyNow;1801539]Dude, everyone understands you never actually operated off a single seniority list. You guys act like this is some great feat. The point is that after 2005, there was only one customer base at US Airways. You can't buy a ticket on the pre merger airlines, only the merged airline. There is one 10K filed every year, not two. Arbitrators have long recognized that once you have a single network, pilots' career expectations are now altered by that fact. It's not just United/Continental, it goes back for 30 years or more.

So the last time that America West and legacy US Airways were separate airlines was 2005. In order to arbitrate how those two lists should come together, you have to step back in time to 2005 and go from there. That's already been done once before. Now, give a good reason why the new arbitrators should throw that work aside and start anew. If the reason is that the East pilots threw a temper tantrum and held the entire pilot group hostage for 7 years, that is not a good reason. Everyone suffers disappointments in their lives. Acting like a spoiled brat when you suffer disappointment does not give you rights to a do over. The East has been living in a little bubble of confusion for seven years, it is now about to be popped. This last arbitration was just step one.

Anger is not a strategy.

Nobody listens to you except me driver.

Sorry to hear your heart is letting you down. Hope you feel better.

On another note, how does captain ahole feel about this contract BS?

Why would they do that? 3 separate lists is status quo. That makes as much sense as merging AA and west first.

3 lists, 3 fleets, 3 expectation(the really tricky part).

You guys ever wonder if the rabbit just got thrown in the briar patch?

Pilot operations and fleets were completely separate except for a few formerly furloughed pilots. And would have stayed that way until when?

You can buy a ticket from TRI-LAX on US, fly on US owned aircraft the entire way, but the PSA pilots flying the TRI-CLT portion have no rights to our seniority list. They could one day, if we reached a JCBA that allowed it and merged the US and PSA seniority lists. Huh, same as the west.

This us a ridiculous post and dripping with emotion. You need a tranquilizer. Each of the three committee ps will represent the best interests of their pilots, while (if they're smart) not over-reach at the same time. To be effective, each will have to able to make a valid argument. The arbitrators will look at everything and then weigh the applicable factors and then craft their hybrid model.

No, "they" are not telling me protected info. I've had discussion regarding general principles and subjects though to get a feel for their position and the issues. You learn a lot reading between the lines. The LAA integration committee isn't required to first merge the other two lists, nor recognize the Nic. They are there to represent LAA pilots and present what THEY feel to be fair. How much of what they present that's adopted by the arbitrators is the arbitrators decision.