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Old 01-09-2015, 09:39 AM
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Old 01-09-2015, 11:08 AM
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Congrats. Although I predicted this from the beginning, I'm at a loss as to exactly how the remnants of USAPA will respond. I suspect something is up their sleeve though. They aren't known for going quietly into the night on this issue. For the record though, I will also reiterate my belief that the Nic will not be adopted in pure form as part of the hybrid ISL.
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Old 01-09-2015, 02:46 PM
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Congrats. Although I predicted this from the beginning, I'm at a loss as to exactly how the remnants of USAPA will respond. I suspect something is up their sleeve though. They aren't known for going quietly into the night on this issue. For the record though, I will also reiterate my belief that the Nic will not be adopted in pure form as part of the hybrid ISL.
The APa and company lawyers are expecting them to not live up to their agreements as usual and expect them to file litigation. I fully expect the usairwAys pilots to be in Nic order within themselves or something very close when this is over.
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Old 01-09-2015, 02:56 PM
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The APa and company lawyers are expecting them to not live up to their agreements as usual and expect them to file litigation. I fully expect the usairwAys pilots to be in Nic order within themselves or something very close when this is over.
As to your first sentence, it wouldn't surprise me. As to your second, I understand. I have no illusions that the crux of the West reps position will be based on a Nic list.
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Old 01-09-2015, 03:07 PM
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I have no illusions that the crux of the West reps position will be based on a Nic list.
And the west sits on very solid ground when making that argument.
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Old 01-09-2015, 03:16 PM
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The ties are flying off the shelf!!!
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Old 01-09-2015, 04:12 PM
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Don't forget oral arguments before the Ninth in April.

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Not really a factor. 20 minutes of lawyer time for each side before judges that have seen this show before. And the argument is to clean up uncertain language from Judge Silver. It won't take long, since USAPA is dead and buried.

And, since Judge Bybee's dissenting opinion has been proven true, it shouldn't be much of a stretch to see this come to a close with a win for the west, although you never know with the legal system. That's why I am happy that this has been resolved in the world of arbitration. The RLA arbitrators know what's been going on and they are very familiar with what USAPA has done. The USAPA tactics have been repudiated and will not be replicated again.

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West merger committee update
We are pleased to announce that the Preliminary Arbitration panel has issued an award granting the America West Merger Committee's request to be designated as an independent, autonomous merger committee in the McCaskill-Bond seniority integration process. The Award states, in part:

“[T]he Board concludes that APA's designation of a West Pilots Merger Committee is consistent with the Protocol and MOU; is consistent with the McCaskill-Bond requirement that the SLI process be ‘fair and equitable;’ is a proper and reasonable exercise of its discretion; and is fully consistent with APA's duty of fair representation to all Company pilots. Indeed, in this particular case, the Board concludes that ‘fairness and equity’ demand the appointment of a West Pilot Merger Committee to participate in the SLI process.”

We have posted the Award on our website at The America West Merger Committee

Although many of you might have believed this arbitration outcome to be a foregone conclusion from the outset, the arbitration itself and the path to get here were anything but certain. Therefore, it is worth taking a few moments to consider the significance of this arbitration award.

On April 18, 2008, America West pilots were forcefully robbed of our representational autonomy by a very formidable and spiteful majority known as USAPA. As we all know, the primary purpose of USAPA was to remove any and all authority America West pilots had with regard to the bargaining rights over our seniority, and hand those rights to the East pilots who could then attempt to unilaterally dictate new seniority terms to us. The Preliminary Arbitration Award (“PAA”) affirmatively returns those rights to their rightful owners: the America West pilots.

In other words, we have now officially survived USAPA's reign and have once again assured that our seniority rights can ONLY be resolved according to fair and equitable principles in a fair and equitable process.
Today's news also means that the burden of defending or bringing seniority-related lawsuits is no longer that of the West pilots. While it is our hope that USAPA will simply accept this outcome and find ways to work with us moving forward, USAPA's history suggests the likelihood of yet another legal challenge to an arbitrator's decision. However, we believe that both American Airlines and APA entered into the Protocol Agreement fully prepared to defend any legal challenge USAPA may bring, and will succeed at doing so.

Today's news further means that our seniority dispute is officially removed from the uncertainty of the federal court system and rightfully placed back into the very forum in which the Nicolau Award was created: labor arbitration. We will no longer need to advocate for our seniority rights with expensive lawsuits that span many years, decided by federal judges constrained by archaic labor laws. We have now returned a forum that will give proper due to the Nicolau Award and that is extremely capable of affirmatively and permanently resolving our dispute.

Having said all of the above, it is now more important than ever that we put aside all of this unpleasant history, but still learn and apply its lessons. Perhaps the largest lesson of the past several years is that the seniority integration MUST be resolved in the agreed-to process, and cannot and will not be resolved in cockpits and crew rooms. And although we have to expect that each committee will have widely disparate views about how our respective seniority lists should be integrated, those views should begin and end within that process. There WILL be an integrated airline at the end of this process this time, we will be sharing cockpits with our counterparts, and none of us wants to come to work in a divided, hostile work environment.

Pursuant to the terms of the Protocol Agreement, we will immediately begin efforts to procure employment data from the company and the other merger committees, as well as engage the other committees with regard to preliminary matters.

This is a very proud day for the America West pilots. We simply could not be here today without our unity, and your continuing moral and financial support. We look forward to keeping you updated in the coming weeks.

In solidarity,

The America West Merger Committee
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Old 01-09-2015, 05:18 PM
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To add to what I posted above.

Claim Four (McCaskille Bond) will be dismissed, since it has been rendered moot by the preliminary arbitration. So claim One (DFR) and claim Four (costs) remain.

I really don't know what the outcome will be but I do believe it will be a very short decision timeline.
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Old 01-09-2015, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
And the west sits on very solid ground when making that argument.
That will be the argument, I'm sure. McCaskill-Bond requires all parties the ability to make any argument to that which they feel results in a fair and equitable ISL, not just in regards to one party, but both others. That is just the guaranteed process. The outcome is uncertain. The arbitrators will decide how to merge 3 lists. To grant the Nic, they would first have to essentially merge two before considering the third. It would seem that too will be the expectations of the West NC.

The application of a Nic-based list (1 list) against the legacy AA list produces an entirely different set of issues then merging 3 separate lists as is the present situation. Depending on the success of the likely next expected wrench thrown by USAPA, it will be interesting to see if such an impact simplifies or complicates the production of the hybrid ISL.
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