Summary of sub-industry standard work rules
01-13-2015, 06:57 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Hueypilot
Or vote no and have essentially the same QOL rules with substantially less pay.
01-13-2015, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hueypilot
To the sandbox? Were you a FRED driver or something? I wish that's all I did.
Take the money. You would never be able to outfox Glass.
01-13-2015, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
Well I thought all the guys had at least a little light in them. I was wrong.
Take the money. You would never be able to outfox Glass.
Take the money. You would never be able to outfox Glass.
01-13-2015, 09:34 PM
#16
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How old are those contract comparisons? Because for the United stuff some of it is wrong and out of date by over a year.
Trip rig is 3.5/1
Profit sharing is 10% up to a 6.9% margin then 20% whatever is above that 6.9%
For reserve, the 6 golden days (we call them Holy days)applies only to International reserves (747/777/787/767). Domestic reserves have all days off as Golden (holy)except for 1 called a Floater Day off (limits apply to how used into a FDO)
And for the line holder scheduling section, that seems a lot more like the old UAL BK contract, the new limit is 90 hours max for monthly build regardless of fleet... But I would have to check to verify.
None of that matters as it isn't the UAL contract your are voting on.
DC
Trip rig is 3.5/1
Profit sharing is 10% up to a 6.9% margin then 20% whatever is above that 6.9%
For reserve, the 6 golden days (we call them Holy days)applies only to International reserves (747/777/787/767). Domestic reserves have all days off as Golden (holy)except for 1 called a Floater Day off (limits apply to how used into a FDO)
And for the line holder scheduling section, that seems a lot more like the old UAL BK contract, the new limit is 90 hours max for monthly build regardless of fleet... But I would have to check to verify.
None of that matters as it isn't the UAL contract your are voting on.
DC
01-13-2015, 10:09 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by C11DCA
How old are those contract comparisons? Because for the United stuff some of it is wrong and out of date by over a year.
Trip rig is 3.5/1
Profit sharing is 10% up to a 6.9% margin then 20% whatever is above that 6.9%
For reserve, the 6 golden days (we call them Holy days)applies only to International reserves (747/777/787/767). Domestic reserves have all days off as Golden (holy)except for 1 called a Floater Day off (limits apply to how used into a FDO)
And for the line holder scheduling section, that seems a lot more like the old UAL BK contract, the new limit is 90 hours max for monthly build regardless of fleet... But I would have to check to verify.
None of that matters as it isn't the UAL contract your are voting on.
DC
Trip rig is 3.5/1
Profit sharing is 10% up to a 6.9% margin then 20% whatever is above that 6.9%
For reserve, the 6 golden days (we call them Holy days)applies only to International reserves (747/777/787/767). Domestic reserves have all days off as Golden (holy)except for 1 called a Floater Day off (limits apply to how used into a FDO)
And for the line holder scheduling section, that seems a lot more like the old UAL BK contract, the new limit is 90 hours max for monthly build regardless of fleet... But I would have to check to verify.
None of that matters as it isn't the UAL contract your are voting on.
DC
01-13-2015, 11:10 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
You can keep all seven contract items for yourself instead of selling them to Parker for below Industry Standard value trades. That's all. You can preserve 7 important parts of your quality of life by voting to keep them. That's all.
If Parker wants to compete with Delta then he needs us to sell him the 7 contract provisions to be on a level playing field with Anderson...Anderson will kick Parker's butt with some of the labor costs we have in comparison. Parker needs us to give him the industry standard concessions.
The good news is that Parker can afford to pay Industry Standard pay to get them. And he promised to pay us for them... So now is the time for him to pay up!!
He has the money. We have the product. Time to pay up!
If Parker wants to compete with Delta then he needs us to sell him the 7 contract provisions to be on a level playing field with Anderson...Anderson will kick Parker's butt with some of the labor costs we have in comparison. Parker needs us to give him the industry standard concessions.
The good news is that Parker can afford to pay Industry Standard pay to get them. And he promised to pay us for them... So now is the time for him to pay up!!
He has the money. We have the product. Time to pay up!
Turtle,
I can't help but laugh at some of the former USAPA/East pilots giving advice. How can you speak of "Selling them To Parker for below Industry Standard value trades" when you all led the race to the bottom as US Airways. You willingly worked for sub-standard wages for years in order to prevent an arbitrated seniority list from being implemented. Credibility Lost.
GHOST
01-14-2015, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GHOST
Turtle,
I can't help but laugh at some of the former USAPA/East pilots giving advice. How can you speak of "Selling them To Parker for below Industry Standard value trades" when you all led the race to the bottom as US Airways. You willingly worked for sub-standard wages for years in order to prevent an arbitrated seniority list from being implemented. Credibility Lost.
GHOST
I can't help but laugh at some of the former USAPA/East pilots giving advice. How can you speak of "Selling them To Parker for below Industry Standard value trades" when you all led the race to the bottom as US Airways. You willingly worked for sub-standard wages for years in order to prevent an arbitrated seniority list from being implemented. Credibility Lost.
GHOST
You point to a cheap wh.ore pilot group as proof that there is no such thing as a danger of YOU GUYS selling out cheap and being a cheap wh.ore pilot group?
Some people are smart enough to learn from the mistakes of others. Not you, ehh?
Parker is the same John he every was, what's your price? He only has $10 Billion?
01-14-2015, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Jborsdrf
As opposed to our traditional ability at LUS to "outfox" Glass? We already gave away our leverage via the MOU, Glass out foxed us a long time ago.
Tell me what is sParkler's plan if we don't give him the 7 industry standard concessions that he is trying to buy? He never ever competed without having a huge labor cost advantage.
There is a reason he wants to but the 7 industry standard concessions. I admit that they are industry standard. I admit we will sell them. He has $10 Billion and he has wants. What's your price?
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