Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1814766)

At Delta our last contract passed 62-38.

But that was for a 3 1/2 year contract which expires this year.
Six years seems too long. You'd be better voting no on this and at least getting the average of us and UAL on Jan. 1. We'll probably get a nice raise on our next contract if your vote fails. Otherwise we will have a ceiling limited by your pay.

If it fails: We will most likely convert a portion of our profit sharing to pay - a more guaranteed income. This would make our rates higher along with a regular raise not tied to profit sharing thus increasing your pay. I think we'd get at least 25% over 4 years.

If your contract passes - let's be honest. Delta will say our total pay, which includes profit sharing is already greater than your pay. They won't give us much of a raise.

Industry pay will stagnate for the next 5 years with 3% raises as our company's make $10B a year.

Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 1814939)

I'm not afraid to admit I voted yes. There is no other choice given the circumstances.

Despite all this Internet babbling and certain domicile rep's rhetoric, I predict passage of this agreement. What are all you chat board blowhards gonna do when it passes? Go talking smack to the majority of your fellow pilots for voting yes? If this passes, all of you diehard "no" advocates will be the minority.

Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1814766)

At Delta our last contract passed 62-38.

But that was for a 3 1/2 year contract which expires this year.
Six years seems too long. You'd be better voting no on this and at least getting the average of us and UAL on Jan. 1. We'll probably get a nice raise on our next contract if your vote fails. Otherwise we will have a ceiling limited by your pay.

If it fails: We will most likely convert a portion of our profit sharing to pay - a more guaranteed income. This would make our rates higher along with a regular raise not tied to profit sharing thus increasing your pay. I think we'd get at least 25% over 4 years.

If your contract passes - let's be honest. Delta will say our total pay, which includes profit sharing is already greater than your pay. They won't give us much of a raise.

Industry pay will stagnate for the next 5 years with 3% raises as our company's make $10B a year.

Originally Posted by Alcoholic (Post 1814997)

I don't understand? You want the pilots to vote no and lock in a lower rate Jan. 1st because it will make Delta pay its pilots more? Don't understand that logic.

I don't think the industry is too worried about helping Delta out. They were not worried about the industry when they made the RJ machine.

Now... Contract being too long is a very valise point.

Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1814766)

At Delta our last contract passed 62-38.

But that was for a 3 1/2 year contract which expires this year.
Six years seems too long. You'd be better voting no on this and at least getting the average of us and UAL on Jan. 1. We'll probably get a nice raise on our next contract if your vote fails. Otherwise we will have a ceiling limited by your pay.

If it fails: We will most likely convert a portion of our profit sharing to pay - a more guaranteed income. This would make our rates higher along with a regular raise not tied to profit sharing thus increasing your pay. I think we'd get at least 25% over 4 years.

If your contract passes - let's be honest. Delta will say our total pay, which includes profit sharing is already greater than your pay. They won't give us much of a raise.

Industry pay will stagnate for the next 5 years with 3% raises as our company's make $10B a year.

Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 1814939)

I'm not afraid to admit I voted yes. There is no other choice given the circumstances.

Despite all this Internet babbling and certain domicile rep's rhetoric, I predict passage of this agreement. What are all you chat board blowhards gonna do when it passes? Go talking smack to the majority of your fellow pilots for voting yes? If this passes, all of you diehard "no" advocates will be the minority.

Originally Posted by Alcoholic (Post 1814997)

I don't understand? You want the pilots to vote no and lock in a lower rate Jan. 1st because it will make Delta pay its pilots more? Don't understand that logic.

I don't think the industry is too worried about helping Delta out. They were not worried about the industry when they made the RJ machine.

Now... Contract being too long is a very valise point.

Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1815022)

TWe are tied together in this industry whether we like it or not. The mistakes by one are felt by all.

Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1815022)

Too late now but I believe it's called delayed gratification as you'd make more a year from now.

Also, the B-scale was started by AMR. We are tied together in this industry whether we like it or not. The mistakes by one are felt by all.

Originally Posted by bigscrillywilli (Post 1814734)

I'm going to demand a recount either way!!

Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1815108)

UAL and DAL have historically been paid well above AA and have had much better contracts to boot. AA will even have rates above them for the time being yet people still are causing a fit. It's no secret that of the top carriers AA was in the bottom until the Airways bankruptcy deals. DAL and UAL have paid better overall long term and yet they continue to get raises. I wouldn't worry about what they think, they have a very limited understanding about how the rate reset even works.

Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1815115)

Interesting thay you chose to type that AA will have rates above them, yet you don't mention that our W2's won't be above them even for the one year our rates will be.

Why did you type it like that?

Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1815120)

Because it's true.

But voting no would leave us with a subpar contract and rates the average of the other two. We're going to be further behind voting no than yes.

On a recent union phone call the negotiators were essentially begging guys to vote yes. All this fear that people have come up with is completely unfounded.

When does this end? I forgot. I thought it was 930 am central, correct?

Originally Posted by ackattacker (Post 1815131)

Well it passed... it's official

66/34, 94% turnout.

Who was closest? I'd go back and look but I'm too busy ordering my new pool :)

Edit: Looks like Silverandsore nailed it on page 1.

Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1815137)

Haha how much do pools cost?

Congrats to the yes voters. While I think this is bad long term the majority voted for it. So be it.

Most importantly texaspilot can finally pay his bills!

Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1815126)

I want it to be over with too.

But my W2 is more important than my payrate. Just don't want people to fall for payrates.

Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1815137)

Haha how much do pools cost?

Congrats to the yes voters. While I think this is bad long term the majority voted for it. So be it.

Most importantly texaspilot can finally pay his bills!