Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1814766)

At Delta our last contract passed 62-38.

But that was for a 3 1/2 year contract which expires this year.
Six years seems too long. You'd be better voting no on this and at least getting the average of us and UAL on Jan. 1. We'll probably get a nice raise on our next contract if your vote fails. Otherwise we will have a ceiling limited by your pay.

If it fails: We will most likely convert a portion of our profit sharing to pay - a more guaranteed income. This would make our rates higher along with a regular raise not tied to profit sharing thus increasing your pay. I think we'd get at least 25% over 4 years.

If your contract passes - let's be honest. Delta will say our total pay, which includes profit sharing is already greater than your pay. They won't give us much of a raise.

Industry pay will stagnate for the next 5 years with 3% raises as our company's make $10B a year.

Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 1814939)

I'm not afraid to admit I voted yes. There is no other choice given the circumstances.

Despite all this Internet babbling and certain domicile rep's rhetoric, I predict passage of this agreement. What are all you chat board blowhards gonna do when it passes? Go talking smack to the majority of your fellow pilots for voting yes? If this passes, all of you diehard "no" advocates will be the minority.

Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1814766)

At Delta our last contract passed 62-38.

But that was for a 3 1/2 year contract which expires this year.
Six years seems too long. You'd be better voting no on this and at least getting the average of us and UAL on Jan. 1. We'll probably get a nice raise on our next contract if your vote fails. Otherwise we will have a ceiling limited by your pay.

If it fails: We will most likely convert a portion of our profit sharing to pay - a more guaranteed income. This would make our rates higher along with a regular raise not tied to profit sharing thus increasing your pay. I think we'd get at least 25% over 4 years.

If your contract passes - let's be honest. Delta will say our total pay, which includes profit sharing is already greater than your pay. They won't give us much of a raise.

Industry pay will stagnate for the next 5 years with 3% raises as our company's make $10B a year.

Originally Posted by Alcoholic (Post 1814997)

I don't understand? You want the pilots to vote no and lock in a lower rate Jan. 1st because it will make Delta pay its pilots more? Don't understand that logic.

I don't think the industry is too worried about helping Delta out. They were not worried about the industry when they made the RJ machine.

Now... Contract being too long is a very valise point.

Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1814766)

At Delta our last contract passed 62-38.

But that was for a 3 1/2 year contract which expires this year.
Six years seems too long. You'd be better voting no on this and at least getting the average of us and UAL on Jan. 1. We'll probably get a nice raise on our next contract if your vote fails. Otherwise we will have a ceiling limited by your pay.

If it fails: We will most likely convert a portion of our profit sharing to pay - a more guaranteed income. This would make our rates higher along with a regular raise not tied to profit sharing thus increasing your pay. I think we'd get at least 25% over 4 years.

If your contract passes - let's be honest. Delta will say our total pay, which includes profit sharing is already greater than your pay. They won't give us much of a raise.

Industry pay will stagnate for the next 5 years with 3% raises as our company's make $10B a year.

Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 1814939)

I'm not afraid to admit I voted yes. There is no other choice given the circumstances.

Despite all this Internet babbling and certain domicile rep's rhetoric, I predict passage of this agreement. What are all you chat board blowhards gonna do when it passes? Go talking smack to the majority of your fellow pilots for voting yes? If this passes, all of you diehard "no" advocates will be the minority.

Originally Posted by Alcoholic (Post 1814997)

I don't understand? You want the pilots to vote no and lock in a lower rate Jan. 1st because it will make Delta pay its pilots more? Don't understand that logic.

I don't think the industry is too worried about helping Delta out. They were not worried about the industry when they made the RJ machine.

Now... Contract being too long is a very valise point.

Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1815022)

TWe are tied together in this industry whether we like it or not. The mistakes by one are felt by all.