You might want to check your math when you call folks a moron. $2B divided by $0.1B is 20 to 1. :cool:

You think Parker and Glass have lost their edge or become Kris Kringle? They gave us 20 to 1 on their first offer but refused "calendar day" (that was less than 4% of their stock buy back this year) and refused the word "reasonable" (that would cost them nothing)..?

Let's check in once a year over the next five years of the contract and compare where the BS is coming from, if you are even here that long. :)

Let's. I'll be here for 15.5 years, Lord willing. AW.

Uh oh. Keep up this behavior and people aren't going to believe you're on the East.

Welcome to the Dark side. :D

I have a 2000. Congratulations, you'll love it.

I pride myself on being an equal opportunity offender.:D

I believe it's a texaspilot76 purchase.

Lol. That's funny. I don't own a Ford. I'm a Chevy guy. Imagine the odds of having the same handle!

one question,
If there really is no difference between what you have now and an ADG, why did the company say no to the ADG then?

If the trips are the same either way, why the resistance?

This is going to be fun to watch. Lots of new $65k pickups in the employee parking lot. A few new expensive sports cars with car covers. And of course the new BMW for the pilot's wife who is a FA. Hey Texas I like your attitude hope to get to work a trip with you and have some Shiner's in Texas.

It'll be funny to watch so many dopes jack themselves into new toys and debt. Not me, I'm a saver. I like the "tortoise and hare" story and when 2020 gones around and the majority are even more vulnerable and dependent, I plan to be the opposite.

I know I can count on most of my felliow pilots to be........well, pilots. It's a major reason why I expect a complete redeux in 2020 when the majority go for quick $$$. Looking forward to the mayhem and chaos. ;)

^^^^ words of wisdom. Right there with ya!

I have no commentary on your contract. But the "tortoise and hare" comparison needs perspective. The hare had much more fun. Ever hear the expression "Fxxx like a tortoise"?

Me either. :D

Just curious at what point you will start to enjoy what you are earning. I have known many savers who saved right up until they died or were to old to enjoy what they had saved for. I put away what is needed for retirement but freely enjoy the rest. I spent a ton of money when my kids were at home on great vacations ect.. Never regretted any of that spending. Not really into saving for big things when I am old and in a wheelchair.

Shocked it passed - WoW !!

I'm a guy from the outside looking in. I've read many pages on this thread and trying to get specifics on work rule concessions. Could someone chime in and inform what was given up?

Under the new contract here are a few additional questions:
How many days off a month for line holder/reserve?
On call periods and how many hrs to report for LCR vs SCR?
How many hours minimum monthly guarantee for line holder/reserve?

Thanks!
This at least hits some high points.

Lear, 7 concessions total. Some are less than others.

1) HBT give to the company (pilots can now acclimate overseas on local time instead of home base time - allows the company to schedule overseas routes more efficiently. Valued at around 300 extra pilots jobs)

2) combining Intl/Domestic ops (more scheduling efficiency for the company - negligible effect on pilots)

3) changing reserve availability from "reasonable available" to "promptly available" (negligible effect, but if it's the same why the change?)

4) relief to the company from "Cadillac tax" issue coming up in 2018. (Perhaps the biggest concession, as it potentially allows the company to change/terminate two of our health plans to avoid the tax, if we can't come to an agreement and the arbitrator times out. However, the question remains as to whether this tax will eventually get repealed by whatever administration is in office by then, and also, APA expects to come to an agreement with the company over this issue. Furthermore, all airlines will have to face it. So, it's a big question mark right now.)

5) contract extension for one year, with a 3% raise attached to that

6) midnight sims for landing currency (gives the company to schedule landing currency sims between midnight and 0400, but only if daytime sims cannot be accommodated.)

7) multiple month bids vs monthly bids. (allow the company to only run a vacancy bid every few months instead of our current practice of every month. )

Being smart with your money is good.

And the only other thing ya need to be happy is to never read another APA announcement beyond the title.. saves a lot of time. There are only two exceptions to just reading the title... 1) If its safety related, read on and 2) if its a vote on a contract (i.e. more concessions as always) vote No. Beyond that APA doesn't have anything worthy of your time (and #2 is probably just a waste of time too).

You would be much better served by reading the scheduling parts of the contract so you can out maneuver the dolts that don't know the contract, but voted yes. :D

Must be an Eagle thing. I drive a 15 y/o pickup and a 25 y/o motorcycle. After years of not being able to afford to pay someone else to do it, three years ago I replaced truck's front wheel bearings and the entire front brake system by myself. I guess I've developed some angst paying someone to do the things I can do myself.

I buy what I need without a second thought but rarely buy what I "want". My wife, on the other hand, does not suffer from this affliction.

;)

So is this the thread where I announce I went and picked up my new Porsche yesterday? Or is that in another thread? Apparently there was discussion about a Polaris and deer camp leases.

AA73,

I really appreciate you taking the time to provide those points. These are definitely good insights - especially the health care problem. That's an enormous part of concern for everyone- even if I don't need it my family could.

Thanks again,
Lear

Same, you never know when things could go bad. I'm saving 100% of the raise. 401k contribution with the rest being saved for a house down payment.

Oh, I'm not above enjoyment. I've owned planes, boats and have a very nice car that isn't driven in winter. I also have mid 7 figures in investments and zero debt. The point is that should the house come tumbling down here (or the debt ridden pilots gut it further ;)), I don't plan to be among the sobbing casualties, that's all.

American Airlines (or ANY airline) is a risky financial lifeboat and considering this pilot group, especially so. By 2020, I'll be comfortable with my financial situation enough to give Doug whatever he desires for a few extra bucks of gravy, because it will ALL be gravy at that point. I plan to coast then, sit back and enjoy the next silly contract show with no worries at all. Right now, most AA pilots are financially intoxicated and are oblivious that this industry can change for the worse..........much worse overnight. But hey........if pilots were not so myopic and short-sighted, well.......they wouldnt be airline pilots in the first place ! :D

Agreed!

Airlines are seeing up times now, but rest assured there will be down times to come - hope not anytime soon. Just like the market it goes up and down, but looking at airline cyclical changes it's really up and down. Something to be said about the person with no debt. Like Dave Ramsey says "live like no one else today so you can live like no one else tomorrow".

Don't ever count on those PHX based pilots.

Long live the mighty tortoises !!!

Most of America is financially stupid and lives above their means. Most dont have the money to pay off their own debt even if they wanted to, they just buy more. Pilots seem especially dopey in this respect.

What can you say about an F/O who buys a $500,000 house with a non-working spouse ? Can you imagine if such a pilot was actually representing and advising other pilots on prudent finacial contractual choices ? Can you imagine if most if those pilots actually believed such a pilots assessment of such issues ?

This profession is filled to the brim with lunatics. :cool:

lol, being a lil generous with the bikes status aren't you? :cool:

Lol. Got me... A portion of my garage is occupied by a 25 y/o motorcycle that might or might not currently be running. (Hint: it's not...but I hope it will be soon)

You can't take it with you.

Replaced the transmission in mine.

I got tired of being fleeced and wasting money.

What motorcycle might that be? Ive wrenched on a few bikes.

If it's HD, you might ask Rockem. ;-)

if we ever have days off together when the wifes workin be more than happy to come down and give ya a hand with it

he's not a hog rider :cool:

Texas, it's a KLR650...it was the tallest bike I could afford when I was 19. I'd like getting it running again to be able to ride the carpool lane to work and park it right at the terminal. That new leather jacket option might be just the ticket (eye roll).

Dash, come down anytime!

How is combing ops not a huge pilot savings in "efficiency "? I think delta would say it cost jobs when they did it in bk.

Define "huge".

What contract provisions are already in place that minimize the 'hugeness'?

No one's denying that it cost some jobs.

Should be pretty straight forward. That's a single cylinder motor. Not too many parts to fool with.

Great bike, and timeless. Dirt simple maintenance. Only real weak spot is the "doohickey" (chain balancer idler lever). Hopefully that's not the cause of your non-running condition because when it fails it can seize the engine, but it should be replaced regardless with an upgraded part and the bolt torque set with an accurate inch-pound torque wrench. Google "KLR650 doohickey" and you'll get a lot of info.

not that i didn't contribute to it but

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:cool:

I knocked the Do out about 10 years ago at a group "Do fix" day. Some were pristine but most (mine included) were damaged. Eagle Mike hooked me up.

The worst thing I did to my bike was not ride it for 5 years with gas in the tank. Fuel selector dry rot let fuel run down to the carb which was gummed up enough to fill everything past it with fuel...including the cylinder, air box and (most unfortunately) the breather line. End result was an engine full of gas. I cleaned it and replaced everything rubber in the fuel system so it seems ok. It just needs work because everything is suffering from age and neglect.
Dash8 wants me to make it road (+trail) worthy to recreate our old college days. I'm working on it, buddy.

Now back to your regularly scheduled poop fight.