East Pilots formally ask the Boa to delay sli

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Quote: I think the AAPSIC will debunk these claims with facts. Besides, it is the WEST that wants to rocket their most junior $95/hour pre-merger pilot to a point where 4500 pilots are junior to him. Can you say......

W-I-N-D-F-A-L-L ?

I can.
This is like saying laa bypass pilots get a "windfall" by coming off the street ($0 hour) and walking into senior positions, ridiculous.
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Quote: None taken since your perception of me is incorrect. If it were true, then I be angry because I was the "angry 50-something F/O" you mistakenly believe me to be.

But hey, believe what you wish.......it's my free gift to you since I don't think you'll be getting the gift you hope from Jeff.
So, you're migrating to the word "gift" from "windfall", or is this just temporary? Perhaps you will handle the arbitrators' decision with acceptance and peace, I'm a little skeptical and fully expect "windfall" will be your legacy signature around here once the award comes out. Like a dog has a hard time passing up a fire hydrant, I think your fingers will have a hard time passing up a response to west pilots without including the W- word.
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Quote: This is like saying laa bypass pilots get a "windfall" by coming off the street ($0 hour) and walking into senior positions, ridiculous.
Senior ?

Hardly.......and there was only about 1100 or so on furlough here at snapshot. That's a LOOOONNNG way from 4500 there chief.

But hey, there's a GREAT way to protect the West's claimed right to the Nic. Why, give you the Nic of course. In exchange, give us fences to protect our apparent lack of pre-merger career expectations.

Not what Jeff is demanding though. He wants it ALL.
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Quote: So, you're migrating to the word "gift" from "windfall", or is this just temporary? Perhaps you will handle the arbitrators' decision with acceptance and peace, I'm a little skeptical and fully expect "windfall" will be your legacy signature around here once the award comes out. Like a dog has a hard time passing up a fire hydrant, I think your fingers will have a hard time passing up a response to west pilots without including the W- word.
Interesting a rabid dog uses a dog analogy. Anyhoo, we ALL will have to accept the arbs award. Although the West has now indeed become the "New Usapa", I'm confident 1700 pilots wont be able to play the ace card they did to successfully thwart the Nic.
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.......and there was only about 1100 or so on furlough here at snapshot.
Lets call it what it really is, deferrals.
If it wasn't for that, the flows would not be flowing and those deferrals are gonna make an interesting wrinkle in the SLI.
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Quote: Lets call it what it really is, deferrals.
If it wasn't for that, the flows would not be flowing and those deferrals are gonna make an interesting wrinkle in the SLI.
That's rich...haha. Were there more pilots on the AA list than there were jobs at the date of the merger? Yes. By about 1,100. Were they actively recalling yes. Would they have continued to recall without a merger? NO.....
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It's laughable to think AA didn't have a chance to fight when US/AA was half its size with practically zero profitable routes except a few on the east coast, namely DCA.

It's similar to the argument the west makes against the east with their merger. AWA even if it survived the downsizing of LAS and retrenched to their PHX hub on their own most likely wouldn't have survived the 2008/9 oil runup and subsequent financial crash.

If anyone got a windfall, it was the east AND west guys who now make TWICE what they made under their merger.

The merger with AA saved everyone's ass on the LUS side and as much as y'all hate Parker he saved y'all's retirement as well. Without him, and the AA merger, LUS and LAWA guys would've been eating canned cat food.

Second year narrowbody FOs now make more than topped out 16 year widebody FOs!

Not to mention the 3rd listers who made more money at their commuter than working at US for the first decade of their career!
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The West didnt make the argument that Airways would have been more successful absent the merger. They say BOTH airlines would have struggled and not succeeded without the merger. What was a narrow body FO making at AA prior to the merger? Would you have 737 FOs making 165/hour without the merger? Both companies needed each other and the AA claims of 'superiority' are bullsh$t. It's going to be tough for the AA guys to experience a merger without being able to staple the other group.
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