Third listers
 

So how many third listers don't know they are third listers? XXXXXX *2011 hire and member of epsic just testified on the record he was unaware he was a third lister.

What's your point?

I don't know if I'm a third, fourth or fifth lister.

An East pilot hired in 2011 is unaware he was not subject to the Nicolau award, i.e., a "third list" US Airways pilot and considering that, he is a member of the East's pilot integration committee ?

Wow. :confused:

I'm sure he knows exactly where he stands-nullity.

Cacti, were you there for the Freund hypocrite show yesterday?

would you mind to tell us more?

Read his comments on "stapling" and the importance of longevity, then go read the AWA pilot's proposal in the US/AW merger. Same guy.

He just got destroyed by both Kennedy and freund. Who in their right mind would blatantly lie like that to a room full of experts?

No credibility

Each merger tuns on its own facts. You need to accept you were out of business in 2005.

Well, we know you weren't there on a layover, since PHL 767I Crews are flying PHX-DCA in the 757. Is there a live feed on Cactuspilot?

Getting photos as welll

Defense of the unethical.

We weren't out of business in 2005, never went out of business. Besides, why would a company that was "out of business" be granted over 500 of the top slots?

Tell everyone what you guys proposed.

Creepy. Really creepy.

Your going to have to pay for what you have done as a group, make peace with it.

Hence the fallacy that the only Phoenix crews flying into DCA come non-stop from Phoenix.

We fly from many cities into DCA and layover. Just this summer I have done MSY, MCO, TPA, BOS, LGA, CLT and PHL.




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I don't blame your for not posting it, it's kinda embarrassing, huh?

In a 757? Cacti is a 757, oops, a 767 pilot.

Kind of like when USAPA was elected on a platform of DOH and even put it in their constitution but showed up with a non DOH proposal before leaving? That type of "hypocrite show"?

Welcome to the forum Joe.

"Third list" is a term from the 2005TA. It is conspicuously absent from the protocol agreement.

Unless you implicitly assume it is in there..

Is there another board that the real AA/US/AWA SLI gets hashed out on, as this board only has about 5 guys who regularly post the same things. You'd think that a few more pilots would be involved unless the majority is just unaware or just numb to the process?

As much as you guys have to complain about, there seemed to be 10x as much acrimony over the DAL/NWA SLI and that was relatively straightforward compared to this one. Maybe this one is so complex that it's really hard for most to follow along.

Full of Luv,

If you want to read the full transcripts they are available at the link below. Day 2 should be posted soon.

UPDATES

Thanks for the link.:D

What is there to really hash?
The arbs are gonna do what the arbs are gonna do. All we need do is sit back and wait for day 2 of the transcripts and read and read and read.
Then wait on the 2 or 3 more court hearings and then the rendering.

This ain't negotiations (tell AASPIC that), nothing to vote on, just attorneys presenting their case.

I have said all along that our award will roughly model the UA/CO award.

Are you just trying to stir the pot?? :mad:

I implicitly assume that we were a merged single carrier when the third listers were hired, but hey, hang on to your fantasies

Ahhh, just realized you are talking about ta9 grievance. Better go read it, doesn't say what your attorney inferred it says and we will destroy that argument.

With all due respect cactus boss you need to go back and read ta9 Richard block says there is no third list and if there is one post it

Ta 9 definitely recognizes third list. Ta 9 just says the company doesn't have to furlough third listers first until jcba.

Actually I am very familiar with TA9 and it's Bloch's interpretation of the TA. He clearly states that there is no Third List. Again, if there is a Third List, please post it here. I would love to see it.

Rhetorical Question. An Easthole. It's what they excel at.

I don't have the language available to me right now. Just going off what my merger committee is telling me. Of course you guys don't recognize that we ever merged so doesn't surprise me you don't recognize that the ta required all pilots hired after our merger be junior. Go read freunds cross of your "third lister" (pages 419-431) to grab a clue where that argument will end up.

Well, that's the first problem. You're going by hear say. When you get the language, read it. It's written in elementary school languageo and is very clear. As far as merging, our two companies merged "systems," not "pilot seniority lists." So yes, I acknowledge that we've merged. Just waiting on a merger of seniority lists...period of when "separate operations" (as also stated in TA9) become one. So this backs up the argument of two seniority lists, not three. No "Third list." I understand that pilots hired after the "merger date" are to be junior (no one is arguing that). What they are trying to get across here is that junior pilots still make up an East or West Seniority List. (Mostly East List bc West has not hired new pilots until recently). That's called "company of origin). These new pilots bring jobs unlike our friends over at Eagle or pilots who were on furlough for many years. These junior pilots are getting placed junior to pilots who have not even worked at mainline (East, West or AA). So understandably they want to be recognized as an East or West Pilot. Not some stupid "third list" that doesn't even exist.

In what universe are pilots hired after a merger announcement placed on a seniority list higher than pilots employed prior to the merger? To even suggest it nullifies any other related factual data presented.

That universe is called USAPIA.

The Epsic is arguing exactly that, they place original pre merger America west pilots junior to 2012 hires. Absolute lunacy.

I'm talking about the transition agreement that no longer exist here at Airways, that's where the original third Lister came from. I guess it's ok with you that mean ole usapa moved the west furlouged pilots that were hired on the east seniority list in 2011as new hires up the East seniority list in front of the so called third listers with their West date of hire on the east list. With 6 of them hiding with seniority numbers on both lists, some on all three lists hoping to get a better relative position ahead of their own West pilots in the seniority integration. You mean that universe??? The west pilots on the east list with captains positions on the 190 or fo positions on the 330 making thousands more than their senior West pilots you mean that universe?

Do you know how to quote things or provide links?

Seriously, you claim a term "third lister", if such a contractual term exists beyond the confines of your thick skull then you could easily provide us all a link and quote.

I am not familiar with the term in any contract other than the 2005 TA... How about it... Ya got a link to a contract or not?

Wow, how benevolent of your scab union, unreal.

Your tool of a third listed got to read it into the record while his seniority thieving daddy watched