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Originally Posted by Route66
(Post 2019312)
I said to self several months ago I would lurk but not post. Well I'll have to break my "silence" if only to say JUST WHAT YOU SAID. The "seniority issue" has broken the back of pilot labor throughout the industry and the way I see it come 2020 you'll take what you're given or leave. Go on strike (or try to) and see what happens. I don't know (and I don't care really) what the "VP" letter contains. It's no secret to the Company because they already know (and have access to the APA info behind the scenes anyway) so YOUR cards have been PLAYED.
I love this Company, I love my job and I'm doing it as long as they'll have me. After ALPA, USAPA and AOL.....with "pilot" friends like that what good is unity. Have a great career. I know I am!!! |
I'm all for a switch back to ALPA. Always have been, always will be.
Management's biggest wet dream is to sit across the negotiating table from a small independent association with very little political pull. Hence the reason why AA pilots have historically never gotten a real industry leading contract. Read Confessions of a union buster...it's all spelled out in that book. For that reason alone, I'm a huge ALPA fan. |
Do you think APA and the AA pilots didn't go through changes?
BK tends to do that. How much of the contract, ignoring the BK impact, was because the union was dealing with two mgt teams? It's hard to negotiate one path with one mgt group and another way with a second mgt group. |
It makes sense but old decadent organizations do not change their stripes. A reconstituted ALPA with new faces as a successor and new mission statement would be fantastic
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Originally Posted by Cactusone
(Post 2019223)
Easties giving advice on mergers and coming together...lol that's rich.
Doug and Jerry will manipulate us and get us to take ourselves with virtual certainty at our next Section 6. |
Originally Posted by aa73
(Post 2019383)
I'm all for a switch back to ALPA. Always have been, always will be.
Management's biggest wet dream is to sit across the negotiating table from a small independent association with very little political pull. Hence the reason why AA pilots have historically never gotten a real industry leading contract. Read Confessions of a union buster...it's all spelled out in that book. For that reason alone, I'm a huge ALPA fan. The only political pull that will ever change this hopelessly broken, corrupt and incestuous game is the actual ability to engage in self-help. That no longer exists (except also as another myth on paper) and so regardless of who is playing the same game, the outcome is certain. |
What was the last thing ALPA's "political will" did for any of us?
Make sure age 65 happened? |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2019669)
Doug and especially Jerry know this new pilot group is hopelessly fragmented and will be even more so once the SLI is complete however it goes. LUS will always be at war as if the Nic is used the East will be outraged. If it is not, the West will be seething. If either side of the LUS equation feels the LAA pilots got too good of a deal (something at or very close to the AAPSIC's proposal), both will hate the LAA pilots while STILL at war with each other as regardless of that, one side at LUS is going to get the shaft (Nic/no Nic). TWA will have a chip on their shoulder to they all go horizontal and our leadership is a directing a rudderless ship shouting from the shore. The biggest detriment of all is the abject apathy most of the pilots demonstrate.
Doug and Jerry will manipulate us and get us to take ourselves with virtual certainty at our next Section 6. "27 November 2015 - 08:24 AM On a different note: http://www.scotusblo...rs-association/ Friedrichs v. California Teachers Association. Docket No. Op. Below Argument Opinion Vote 14-915 9th Cir. Jan 11, 2016 TBD TBD Issue: (1) Whether Abood v. Detroit Board of Education should be overruled and public-sector “agency shop” arrangements invalidated under the First Amendment; and (2) whether it violates the First Amendment to require that public employees affirmatively object to subsidizing nonchargeable speech by public-sector unions, rather than requiring that employees affirmatively consent to subsidizing such speech. Nov 24 2015 SET FOR ARGUMENT on Monday, January 11, 2016 United States Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals Docket #: 15-10328 Nature of Suit: 3740 Railway Labor Act Docketed: 04/17/2015 Jose Serna, et al v. TWU of America AFL-CIO Appeal From: Northern District of Texas, Dallas 11/03/2015 ARGUMENT HEARD before Judges Stewart, Clement, Elrod. Arguing Person Information Updated for: Bruce N. Cameron arguing for Appellant Ralph Anderson, Appellant Santos Cordero, Appellant Roberto Cruz, Appellant Kent Hand, Appellant Greg Hofer, Appellant Warren Lambert, Appellant Sari Madera, Appellant Mary Richardson and Jose Serna; Arguing Person Information Updated for: Peter D. DeChiara arguing for Appellee Transport Workers Union of America AFL-CIO [15-10328] (PFT) November 04, 2015 MEMORANDUM TO COUNSEL OR PARTIES LISTED BELOW: No. 15-10328 Jose Serna, et al v. TWU of America AFL-CIO USDC No. 3:13-CV-2469 Your appeal has been placed in abeyance this date pending a decision in the U.S. Supreme Court Case No. 14-915. Once the case has been removed from abeyance, you will receive notification from this court with any additional instructions. Sincerely, LYLE W. CAYCE, Clerk LYLE W. CAYCE CLERK TEL. 504-310-7700 600 S. MAESTRI PLACE NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130 GOOD BYE MANDATORY UNION DUES AND GOOD BYE UNIONS AND GOODBYE SENIORITY. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!" |
Originally Posted by aa73
(Post 2019383)
I'm all for a switch back to ALPA. Always have been, always will be.
Management's biggest wet dream is to sit across the negotiating table from a small independent association with very little political pull. Hence the reason why AA pilots have historically never gotten a real industry leading contract. Read Confessions of a union buster...it's all spelled out in that book. For that reason alone, I'm a huge ALPA fan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_J._Levitt "However, in 1993 the same year Confessions of a Union Buster was released, and 6 years after Martin J Levitt called the AFL-CIO professed his change, his cycle of deceptive psycho pathology had not. The Superior Court of the State of California County of Contra Costa filed against Martin Jay Levitt for violation of Penal Code Section 529 False Personation and Penal Code 532 (a) for obtaining credit by false pretenses for taking over $25,000." |
He could rob a bank as far as I care. Big deal. Doesn't change the fact that he bared the soul of the dark side and that's all the info I need. Management's biggest enemy is a united pilot front - it's been proven over and over again. They laugh their a$$ off in front of associations like APA and USAPA.
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