My point is WHY?

Why would the company increase that pay when they don't have to?

The union ****ed away all our leverage for no reason.

I don't see any motivation at all for the pay rates to go up until a new contract gets negotiated (hopefully by better people than gave us this one.)

According to recent court docs, the fleet count at the POR was of this

.......L-AA ......L-US.........AWA

767 - 67..........10............0
757 - 91..........15............9
321 - 5 ..........64...........26

Total 163.........89............35 ........Total for L-US+AWA = 124

Total
Airframes 620...224...........120 ......Total for L-US+AWA = 344


Relative % Group III A/C with A321 included compared to overall fleet

L-AA - 26.2%
L-US - 39.7%
AWA - 29.1%

L-US+AWA = 36.0%



Hmmmmm....makes you think.

I don't think it was 'given up,' but I also don't think it was fought for after seeing the benefit in an unintended consequence. I think history has shown there are very few benevolent players when it comes to seniority integrations.

Aside from that, there are a few things the company can do that in the grand scheme of things wouldn't cost 'too much' in order to garner a good chunk of support from pilots without the appearance of another 6% pay raise to a labor group outside of the FAs and put to bed (for now) any complaints about 'just' getting 5% in company wide p/s:

- 321 pay at group 3
- Quietly increase duty rig w/o caving to the min calendar day request (which is arguably better if done correctly). According to Kirby, min calendar day was a $23MM/yr give - and if you believe any of the rumors from the NC, that was verrrrrrry close to being in the JCBA until the board went all 'APA'
- maybe an LTD fix, affecting very few, costing basically nothing and meaning everything to those unfortunate enough to be out on medical for an extended time.

I'm sure there are a dozen others, but these three are again very cheap, were a good part of our JCBA bargaining points (as if that mattered), and easily 'given' by the company as good faith gestures to change the culture w/o upping everyone's pay and a bone for a smooth integration.

Looking at all of the hotel committee emails about small, yet positive changes coming (all w/o ANY contract language), the company bailout of APA's TTS fiasco, and a few other things I can't remember this late at night are indications that the company is trying... up to a point. Don't get me wrong, this is not benevolence, but an understanding that the folks doing all the rowing might row a lot better with a few more scraps.

Doug isn't an idiot, and his pivot to the Herb plan is out of a reality that we will never compete with Deltas w/o some real culture change. All of these things are arguably 'industry std' and we'd still be lagging in total compensation - but oh my, isn't the culture better and hope and change, etc.

That all being said, who knows if any of this will happen. But the p/s - for what it's worth - sure took most of us by surprise. Who knows...

This would be just as good/shocking and maybe even better than profit sharing to me. Hope there is some credence to this.

The contract was worked out during BK.
Can anyone point out the ALPA carriers, that weren't in BK, that linked 321/739 pay with 757's?
Or which ALPA carriers don't have 752's as Group III pay?

BK contracts don't set new high water marks. And even if APA could have achieved a new high water mark, possibly at a cost to other sections of the contract, why would they do that if it might weaken their position going into the SLI?

A. To signal a (real) positive shift in Labor relations

B. To signal a (imaginary) positive shift in Labor relations

C. To undermine the Union

D. B and C

I tend to agree, even if we got ALL of our JCBA wish lists, we'd still be behind UAL/DAL in total compensation, QWL, etc. It would cost the company very little, perceived as magnanimous and a real culture shift and leave the APA completely outmaneuvered right as we elect our NOs.

At UAL, the 757 pay is the same as the 738, 739, A321 and A320. The 737-700 and A319 have a lower pay rate.

A buddy of mine at DAL mentioned that they are getting their first A321s, and they are being paid an override for that aircraft. I don't know what the override rate is.

I haven't heard any of the A321 Group III pay rumors, but it would be nice if they at least considered paying an override for the A321, considering many Group III jobs were "downsized" to the just-slightly-smaller A321.

Huey - at UA 757's are included in our Group II pay.
A319's and 737-700's are Group II (-) pay.

I'm just pointing out that they pay the same at UA, regardless of what "Group" (which is an AA thing) they fall under.