Saw the Eagle Flow thru Lawsuit
 

Flying along, the first officer hands me a copy of the Eagle Flow thru lawsuit.
The last flow thrus to actually sign the flow thru (December 2001). Those that month that actually signed a flow thru that month were delayed until approx. 2010-2011-2013.
This guy NEVER signed a flow thru. He was the first of 150 to not sign a flow thru agreement to be arbitrator awarded a free flow thru.
Then after him, there was the 825 free flow thrus awarded by an arbitrator after him.

He says his occupational date is 2008. He didn't arrive at LAA until early 2013.

He thinks he should be senior to ALL TWA FO's and senior to ALL on SLI since 2008. Even though he didn't begin training at AA until 2013.

He is suing for 2 years pay increase. Since the company decided to offer 2 years extra pay credit for ANY furloughee that returned before Dec 2013.


He then says he hopes this won't BK APA. He says the lawsuit could be worth 40M.

I was pretty speechless and offered. We bought TWA Jan 2001. Early 2002 TWA was wearing the AA uniform, using the AA call sign on ATC.
He was suggesting that since TWA was a LLC until 2003. He should be senior to ALL TWA FO's.

THIS GUY NEVER SIGNED A FLOW THRU AGGREEMENT

Hopefully you asked for another coffee and wet wipes after the one you were drinking ended up going through your nose and all over the console.

The only people who benefit from these dumbass suits are the lawyers. Pilots (as a whole) are extremely gullible-and the kind of lawyers who dream up this horse crap know it..

I was stunned.
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First I thought this was a drunk post (I have *never* done that! :rolleyes: ), but the writing was too coherent and structured.

What's next? APA demanding contract improvements before 2020?

Surely, you can't be serious!

Sir are saying Doug won't open up negotiations early?!? Lol! Personally, I'm enjoying watching Dougie spank these LAA guys with this contract. Unfortunately we are getting it too. Watched the video with the new APA president in it talking about not sitting around with this contract until 2020. All I can say is wow what a fkn idiot. We are doomed lol! It's all good for a laugh though

Let's have a $3,600 dinner (on APA's dime unless we get caught!) over our current contract! What do you say? :rolleyes:

Amazing. They aren't going to go to bat over the forced 2003 AA work rules that LUS pilots never agreed to and make AA implement the contract as promised (remember when they kept saying "it'll happen at FOS cutover"?). But they are going to wrestle with AA management over opening contract negotiations 3 years early? I'm sure Parker will gladly do so (sarcasm).

The *******s running APA know they are in trouble. With the talk about ALPA of late, they are trying to make it look like they are doing something.

Plus, they love to ***** and moan about profit sharing. The same 0.0% profit sharing they were so pleased with in our JCBA.... give me a damn break!

Let us PLEASE remember that these same boneheads negotiated our horrid JCBA-and not let anyone who had anything to do with that pile of manure have anything to do with the next one.

That being said.... do these fools really think Doug will just punch out of our crappy contract unilaterally? Really? Are they seriously that brain-damaged?

Sounds good--then we can have drinks and "snacks" for $15,000.00 on ALPA.

This idiots lawsuit money is being mis-spent, should have enjoined ALPA for "Duty of Fair Representation"


Then go out and get more snacks.

DUDE! DWI Douggie is sitting back with a 24 pack laughing his a$$ off at you guys.

Then he will drive home.

LOL!


(Probably waaay too close to the truth!)

bootleg is ex-Eagle, he never made it to AA. SO he criticizes an APA contract he's never seen.

I don't know about previous contracts but this one deserves to be criticized. This is a joke and so is the APA

I agree....

You don't have to work at AA to see what a mess this contract is. I am sure it has been copied and posted in many places for all the world to laugh at.

OK, It is a bad contract. We work a lot more. I've been at AA since early 99.
In MIA since 01.

Our last contract was 1997. There was no 2000 contract since we voted NO to that in Aug 2001. (that was the only time I wanted to vote yes, but my friends persuaded me to wait for DAL+3)
Then 2003 TA with the threat "Hey we're on the courthouse steps to declare if you don't sign this" crafted by APA and AA.
Then Full court Kick the Can, we never got an 08.,09,10 OR any contract until 2012.
Then the 2012 exit BK MTA Merger transition agreement.

I'm not a company guy. I'm engaged. I always have been. I dialed over 160 pilots to discuss NO on LBFO1 and NO on LBFO2.

LBFO 2 passed in a 74% YES

I support an ALPA transition.

The Green Book has always been very difficult to read. We used to publish a kitbag contract. I would carry that with me and actually read it thru on the longer legs.


I am not defending this contract, but it is better than our 2003 contract which we were working on until 2012.

So there's your history lesson. APA has always been weak. APA has always had the worst contracts of all the majors.


APA is working on getting a mid contract adjustment. USAir pilots tells us not a chance.

I know form working at AA that the only time we get something fixed is when we INUNDATE CP's and VP's VM and email.

If we don't complain enmass they think everything is OK.


So Historically we haven't had many contracts since 1997.

Many LUS people, myself included, said that we would never see profit sharing again. We were wrong, so maybe we're wrong about a mid contract adjustment. I just think
we need to approach it differently than trying to beat the company over the head to get it.

Too many times APA has asked nicely and we even has this PLI (Perf Leadership Initiative, by Ralph Hunter the weakest leader ever at APA)
It was to nicely new generation get along with mgmt.
Ralph declared to the media in early 2006 "The company is Unsustainable, more employee cuts coming, How can we help the company" Arpey had release a press announcement saying "We're OK, nothing to see here, we are sustainable"

So many times APA has reported back to us "We asked and they said No"

We did have one "Sept to remember" Which helped defeat LBFO1 during BK.

You cannot accomplish anything here at AA unless you jeopardize something MGMT beholds...D-10 D+0 that will get their attention

and Fatigue calls.

I've met Dan Carey, I think if anyone can convince Doug, it might be him.





Now back to the Eagle Flow thru Lawsuit.

I don't get why eagle guys are ****ed. Am I missing something ?

Free money. Recalleees that returned before Dec 2013 got 2 yrs pay credit.

Apparently some Eagle flow thrus think they deserve this also. Even though they NEVER signed a flow thru contract.

There's a guy (hired after merger) complaining about being junior to third listers (hired before merger). Nothing surprises me anymore.

Wait what?

An admission? The contract is bad after all?

Your credibility warning light is flickering sir.

And as far as me not "making" it to AA----- I THANK GOD every day!!!!!!!!

jcountry and bassslayer seem to understand things pretty clearly here, other people just don't seem to get it.

The TOP 5% of the seniority list guys--that's what APA cares about. Always have and always will.

And the guys in the union making the decisions aren't, or rarely are, in the top 5%.

What's your AA/APA history?

Correct Sliceback!

bootleg was Eagle, must have screwed up his career to have retired there and possibly no college degree.
But one time at band camp he got his feelings hurt over a Real AA pilot and his Scope badge.

^^^you couldn't be more incorrect^^^^^. That invite is still open for you-and that would permanently shut your mouth.

9-11-01 screwed up my "airline" career, but I got a much better one.

Thread is not about you jerk-leg, move on little man.

Just addressing more of your uninformed, meaningless bullsh@t--little girl.

Was his name Anthony (tony) G.?

There were (are) a small group of individuals that will never be happy about how the flow-through turns out. First it was the Letter 3 Collision (L3C) led by Tiny, then there was another attempt at a flow through lawsuit, with a few guys refusing to make a selection on the Envoy company 824 selection web page because of some perceived loophole/grievance, etc, et al. Basically you can't please everyone all the time. The common thread was usually that they wanted something more for themselves personally, and to hell with everyone else. But those type of people exist in every group.

Of course, if it was Tony G., that explains it all right there.

Not Tony G.

Please don't lump all of us in with them. Most of us are excited to flow, and just want to do well when we do.

Yes have flown with some great ones. Some have attitudes.