Off the Street civilian chances
11-30-2016, 12:22 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear
The recent policy seems to be that they don't want to rob Peter to pay Paul.
This would not deplete the regionals and if there is no one to fly the execs.....they will have to buy 1st class tickets
11-30-2016, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FredFlyer
FYI, from the Flight Dept yesterday:
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As of October 2016....
Flow - 301
Civilian - 100
Military - 41
Last edited by Flying101; 11-30-2016 at 03:49 PM.
11-30-2016, 03:33 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by foumanchu
If you want to go to American, I would suggest not going to a wholly owned. It is rare that they hire outside of the seniority flow.
11-30-2016, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by babs
Let's do some quick math. If AA will have hired 186 pilots off the street (non-flow) by years end and only 28% of those are non-military, then that means only 52 civilian pilots were hired. I don't know about you, but I think I'd take my chances with a wholly owned where I would have a flow in my back pocket and I can keep applying at another legacy vs. being one of those lucky 52. I do understand however, that the number of civilian pilots will increase in the future due to AA hiring more and all the recalls being done.
11-30-2016, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying101
As of Oct 2016 only 41 off-the-street civilians (OTS) have been hired. All the recalls are officially back which opens up additional room for street hires. From my understanding Envoy (Eagle) flow percentage will decrease as per their agreement with AA. I'm sure an ex-Envoy pilot on here can give us more accurate numbers. PSA and PDT will stay the same, give or take 2-3 pilots per month. My guess is 15-17 OTS pilots per month in 2017. A lot will/can change by the time your number is up for flow, regardless of which wholly owned you go to. Supposedly PDT is around 5-7 years.
It will take about 3.5 more yrs before the flow goes down to 25% or 15 pilots (I believe that's the number of flow after protected pilots, not sure). Once that group is done (Nov 2011 hires, until Dec2014), then it will be close the same to PSA/PDT.
11-30-2016, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Envoy flow will decrease but not after the whole 824 are gone. Once the last E-175 shows at envoy (around march-may), then the next group of flow will have 50% or 25 pilots whichever is lower (group called Protected Pilots). At the end of the year 50% will have to be Envoy guys. The protected pilots starts after the pilot 824 has flow and finish on the last guy from 11/11/2011 hire.
It will take about 3.5 more yrs before the flow goes down to 25% or 15 pilots (I believe that's the number of flow after protected pilots, not sure). Once that group is done (Nov 2011 hires, until Dec2014), then it will be close the same to PSA/PDT.
It will take about 3.5 more yrs before the flow goes down to 25% or 15 pilots (I believe that's the number of flow after protected pilots, not sure). Once that group is done (Nov 2011 hires, until Dec2014), then it will be close the same to PSA/PDT.
11-30-2016, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying101
Thanks man! Do youknow how old the most junior pilot out of the 824 group is?
11-30-2016, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying101
Thanks man! Do youknow how old the most junior pilot out of the 824 group is?
11-30-2016, 05:43 PM
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Letter osted by Fred gives macro details. Average 27.5 OTS per month. Current civilian rate of 28% would mean 7.7 civilian OTS's per month on average.
50% or 25 per month, which ever is lower, would flow 300 Envoy guys in 2017.
300 of 750 is 40%.
The other 16%(company statement) would be 120. I thought the PSA/PDT monthly was 8 combined so I'm not where the 4 additional flows per month would come from.
50% or 25 per month, which ever is lower, would flow 300 Envoy guys in 2017.
300 of 750 is 40%.
The other 16%(company statement) would be 120. I thought the PSA/PDT monthly was 8 combined so I'm not where the 4 additional flows per month would come from.
11-30-2016, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
We? Start your own airline and ban anyone you want.
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