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Old 02-05-2017, 08:50 PM   #31  
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Things will be moving fast here soon. I predict Group 4 anywhere will be down to 12,000 by the fall. Lots of movement finally at AA.
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Things will be moving fast here soon. I predict Group 4 anywhere will be down to 12,000 by the fall. Lots of movement finally at AA.
Eh. Not for everybody. I haven't budged from Nov-April in CLT (LUS A/B Capt) as LAA/LAW pile in on top of me either thru bidding vacancies or base exchange. I expect my stagnation to continue for quite a while.

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I predict that a recession and NAI will dampen this. We have not had a decade in aviation since dereg that have not put us back a few years. I hope not, but history has a way of repeating itself.
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I hate to bring up an old topic, but can someone please repost the combined retirement numbers please?
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Old 02-06-2017, 05:02 PM   #35  
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I hate to bring up an old topic, but can someone please repost the combined retirement numbers please?

Personal - Projected Future Retirements - Next 20 Years
Projected Retirements for 2017 - 2037
(Projections based on active pilots turning 65 in the given year.)
Roster Data Updated on: 2/5/2017
Year Total
2/6/2017 - 12/31/2017 409
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 545
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 656
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 782
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 853
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 874
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 960
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 932
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 956
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 903
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 771
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 668
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 634
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 549
01/01/2031 - 12/31/2031 568
01/01/2032 - 12/31/2032 493
01/01/2033 - 12/31/2033 465
01/01/2034 - 12/31/2034 390
01/01/2035 - 12/31/2035 324
01/01/2036 - 12/31/2036 248
01/01/2037 - 12/31/2037 195

This chart lives at Aapilots, click on "profile" in the upper right hand

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For your personal seniority number as of Dec 31st every year until retirement click on "seniority calculator" under helpful links.
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If we had LOS for pay, I think those WB jobs would go very junior. Why would anyone beat the crap out of their body for the same pay as just flying easy domestic NB stuff?

Sure it's 9 on/21 off but ya gotta remember, the first couple of days off are spent just recuperating and getting back on your time zone sleep schedule.

I'm with ya, I tried intl for 4 years and it absolutely trashed me. Once I switched back to NB domestic I was never even remotely as tired as I was doing the Europe/SA stuff.

Intl should really should be done at a younger age. Once you hit your 40s you should ideally start ratcheting down the long haul flying to where you're only flying easy domestic turns your last few years prior to retirement.
Ideal Int'l/widebody flying is with an augmented crew of 4 based on my experience. Now if an airline could make up a crew compliment of 2 American based and 2 Asian based pilots, that would create the optimum rest to all.
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If we had LOS for pay, I think those WB jobs would go very junior. Why would anyone beat the crap out of their body for the same pay as just flying easy domestic NB stuff?

Sure it's 9 on/21 off but ya gotta remember, the first couple of days off are spent just recuperating and getting back on your time zone sleep schedule.

I'm with ya, I tried intl for 4 years and it absolutely trashed me. Once I switched back to NB domestic I was never even remotely as tired as I was doing the Europe/SA stuff.

Intl should really should be done at a younger age. Once you hit your 40s you should ideally start ratcheting down the long haul flying to where you're only flying easy domestic turns your last few years prior to retirement.

I believe BA has LOS pay.

That is why you see so many young captains on the 777's that come to the US.

The senior pilots are flying daytime turns out of LHR on the 320, and are home every night.
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I believe BA has LOS pay.

That is why you see so many young captains on the 777's that come to the US.

The senior pilots are flying daytime turns out of LHR on the 320, and are home every night.
Actually the 320 at BA is very junior. About 1 year to hold LGW 320 CA. The reason you see young 777 CAs at BA is because half the fleet is widebody aircraft and most pilots are hired in their early 20's. So that 45 year old 777 CA probably has over 20 years of service.
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Dumb question. What is LOS flying?
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:57 AM   #40  
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Dumb question. What is LOS flying?
Like UPS (well UPS does do Capt/FO rates), you get paid purely based on your Length of Service (LOS), not what or where you fly.

Sort of like the way the military does it.

Consequently, pilots bid the type of flying / schedule they most enjoy without worry of leaving pay behind due to the size of their aircraft.
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