maxjet

Why is that sad? AQP in a perfect world is better than traditional training. ACMI is not a perfect world. They have multi pilot crews for one thing. You end up with a lot of FO/FO pairings. Not great for the FO in the left seat. AQP saves the company money which is why companies support it. Once the program matures it is great. At K4 there were some serious bumps in the road along the way to this successful outcome.

neverposts

aqp is a joke compared to the training footprint of 8 sims pass or your fired. getting 25 sims and 120 hours of i o e to get you through is not the norm dude. be glad you didn't have to become a flight engineer if you even know what that is (assuming you are a millenial)

GogglesPisano

Sounds like World Airways (RIP.) ACMI is ACMI. Shoestring training budgets and rented sims.

Tread carefully.

NeverHome

AQP is no joke when properly implemented. The goal of training is surprisingly to train someone. Who knew right?
Now I certainly agree there are limits to how much a company should put into someone before cutting them loose. However the extended training someone gets is not synonymous with AQP.

One huge advantage to a mature AQP is that it highlights deficiencies within a group. For instance, if everyone sucks at missed approach procedures on the line, then recurrent AQP will focus on that. Lots of ASAP or FOQA data then the common denominator may not be the pilots but the way procedures are taught and understood. AQP aims to correct the problems. With new hires it aims to get training done. Yes actual training. Under the old school method it’s “be perfect on day one and if not hopefully you have a pillow to chew on cause this is gonna hurt”. New school is “here is where you need to improve so let’s focus on that”.

The whole idea is to make safer more proficient pilots. If a pilot cannot hack that in an allotted time then yes time to cut them loose.

fastback

K4 training is not perfect to be sure, but we own our 400 sims. The one we bought from Deltas used to be a complete piece, but we’ve classed it up a good bit.

GogglesPisano

Well that’s a good thing. 🍻

AboveMins

Eh, it's just another way to skin a cat. From what I've been told, we do have an AQP program ready to launch. We're just waiting on the "businessmen" to finish their childish negotiation games, so we can implement it in the new contract. At least that's what several instructors have said.

gollum

K4 does have AQP and it’s not difficult if you actually study. The ones who struggle do so because they want to be spoon fed and not put in the effort.

Elevation

I'm at Altas. We have no AQP.

My understanding was K4 has it.

Elevation

AQP is good. Unfortunately it's being held up over here.