Will be watching!

You should not be imputed for hotels while sitting reserve.

They will definitely try to.

EXCO Chair Update:

"First, as most of you know, an arbitration hearing was held last week in Washington, D.C. The company is trying to change Section 26.X. (Picket Lines) of the CBA, by deleting the last sentence of that paragraph. The sentence reads as follows: “Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed, however, to limit the rights of the Union or the Atlas Crewmembers to refuse to cross lawful strike picket lines established by or on behalf of pilots represented by any union lawfully certified or recognized pursuant to the Railway Labor Act.”
Here is what is at stake. If we prevail, things stay the same until the next CBA is negotiated. If the company prevails, then we will have no contractual protections with respect to crossing another carrier’s picket line. A change in the language clearly puts us all on a collision course with this management group. The choice will be: (1) Cross a picket line and be branded a “scab” for the rest of your career (i.e. not hirable at any respectable airline, no jumpseats, etc.); or (2) Refuse to cross the next picket line at the risk of the company taking action against you and your union."

Would suck to be on probation and face the decision of SCABBING or losing your job.

All of this while a guy in 747 Upgrade class put in his two weeks notice. He's headed to FedEx.

Why are so many being hired out of upgrade class? It's as if they know.

Atlas management is going to be parking airplanes soon if they don't get a clue.

They could care less. Additional $5 million in bonuses just paid out to the Execs. I know 3 more quitting this month. With the job fairs this week I'd imagine the pipeline out will only increase its flow.

In the case of this individual he put his app in the day they sued us. So attrition is about to go up even more at Atlas...

On what grounds / cause are they taking this particular section to arbitration? Or is this just general "let's **** with the union and cause them to burn money" tactics?

They have no "grounds". Their argument is that the Union pulled a fast one, five years ago, and they just read the CBA recently. Laughable. If they prevail on this, you know that the whole NMB is totally for sale.

They claim they were not aware that this verbiage was in the CBA when they signed it. Presumably they're trying to prove their incompetence in arbitration.

I can't answer that with facts. I do have a theory. Rumors have swirled that Amazon and DHL gave Atlas an ultimatum, as they are unwilling to go into the fourth quarter with the negative visibility and overall vulnerability they faced last fourth quarter (ABX Strike). I think this is a stab in the dark to appease the customers knowing that we won't stop flying in case of another strike. Just a Hail Mary to avoid having to pay up. I believe they are desperate and will try anything. It's totally baseless. I quoted only a part of the EXCO update, the full update explains their arguement to the arbitrator is "they never read that sentence in question throughout the entire process five years ago and they believe the union pulled a fast one..........You can't make this **** up.

I'm sure there were things in that contract that the pilots didn't catch when it was negotiated. There are always a few gotcha's that slip through on both sides. If a judge ruled against the pilots on this it would essentially render any contract negotiated open to endless revision. I can't imagine a judge wanting to allow that kind of chaos. Even if the ruling only applied to airline labor it could send the airline industry into a tailspin. Can you imagine what the old US Airways Easities would do with a ruling like this?

I know one Captain who just finished IOE who is in the FedEx BI class now. It isn't a secret that Purple is hiring and will be for the foreseeable future and there is no way Atlas can compete with us when it comes to pay and quality of life. Some new hires are going straight to the 777. Come on down!

There is a complication. The section at issue was, as I recall, one of the 4 that was decided by arbitration. So if the ruling from the arbitrator at the time was a,b,c; and the contract somehow ended up saying a,b,c,d; that is a different ball of wax than your normal management/labor squabble.

That said, the language was much talked about at the time. This is not some musty corner of the contract, and I have a hard time believing that it was somehow missed by the lawyers.

In any case I suspect that this is a bit more complex than the crew room understanding.

Good friend of mine, leaving his Atlas 747 CA seat for FDX in the next few weeks.

I'm sure FDX and UPS are appreciative of Atlas providing all those qualified candidates.

Win or lose. Rest assured, they can't touch Southern's strike clause. So, at a minimum 200 of AAWH's pilots will "legally" be able to honor a picket line.




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All of the ABX pilots will be with you shoulder to shoulder brother!
It's unfathomable to me what Atlas management is doing. But what do I know I am just a line freight dawg...

Atlas Application Question
 

In a worst case scenario, where Atlas wins, a strike happens, and Atlas pilots that honor it lose their jobs, I imagine us at Southern (and other 1224 carriers) wouldn't go back to work until every one of them is given their jobs back. Let us hope it doesn't come to that though


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You don't know Atlas management very well. They couldn't care less.

Did you guys lose the Asiana cargo contract, or are you sub leasing it out?

Please elaborate. We've got one aircraft flying for Asiana and it appears to be operating as normal. We've definitely been subbing out other 74 flying though.

Well, rumor mill at K4 is that we lost the contract to you guys, but the Asiana flying has been picking up for us as of late.

We definitely have been subbing out flights to K4, and other carriers, lately.

I think that's what he meant to say ...

Curious as to where the information is on subing out flying, Globalcrap, hawk or rumor........ there are contract restrictions on that and if that sction of the CBA was utilized I cannot imagine the Union not jumping up and down, while at the same time advising us of the fact. Again just curious.

Thanks,

cargo

I've been curious about subcontracted freight after seeing Airbridge -8s operating out of the ICN polar ramp my last two times through.

Check out the schedule view on Hawk then look for N74L1. No pilots listed on those flights and the customer is "Atlas Air". Further follow up with Flightaware shows those flights being operated by carriers such as Kalitta, Omni, etc.

I know. I had a few and was just being a jerk.

Now, shut up.






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N763 is another one to watch.

While one may feel like they are flying in a freighter when aboard one of Omni's 240-seat 767-200s, they technically don't fly cargo, at least not the kind that doesn't load itself. :-)

Thanx!:eek:

These are passenger military charters.

Thanks for the correction! My confusion and mistake.

What's a realistic first year W2 at Atlas?

Plan for min possible, then anything above that is gravy.

Four months at Training Pay (4 x 1600) = 6400

Eight months at 50 hour guarantee (747: 79.60 x 50 = 3980 x 8 = 31,840).

6400 + 31,840 = 38240 GROSS (plus per diem ~53/day)

If you're hired into the 767 you can subtract ~16% from that.

Dear pilots, how much is ideal experience required for atlas 747 fo position?

1700 TT mostly
multi turbine SIC
270 PIC
A320 PIC rated but zero on type

[emoji20] not that experienced but got big dreams.


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Yeah, got that, but more interested in what people are actually making. If they're short, aren't FOs flying over the min? In the presentations they always say it's $70k+. Maybe that's optimistic.

I've heard $65k from a buddy that went through last year, he doesn't fly days off.