Atlas Application Question
 

For those of you familiar with the Atlas application process, I've applied (I think) and see the employment application listed under "iforms to complete". Under "Past Job Submittals" First Officer is listed and last updated indicates October of 2016.

Have I actually applied and submitted for the job? I just updated all my times and info and want to make sure I've followed the process correctly.

Thanks in advance!

Just don't.

Hogcapt pointed you in the right direction,

AtlasFacts.org

Do you meet the mins yet? They're really high. Like, 2000 TT high.

If you have much PIC time, Atlas may just bypass you!

They are losing so many new hires to other airlines, they are looking for FO's with o PIC who would have to stay at Atlas at least until they upgrade ...

Beware

That's just downright UGLY :eek:

I'll chime in, I've kept updating times in the "iform" and application was submitted in Oct. Still nothing.

HR must assume you are psychologically unstable as there is no way any sane pilot would voluntarily subject themself to this level of abuse.

Do you have anything nice or good advice to say? You're like a broken record! If you don't like it at Atlas then leave! No one is forcing you to endure "this level of abuse"!

The gents are trying to give a real world appraisal of the situation over there and trying to provide a friendly warning to prospective new hires about what's going on.

Maybe people repeatedly post the same issues here because new hires repeatedly act surprised when they encounter these same issues.

At Atlas, the pilot group can be broken down into four groups.

1. Newhires in their honeymoon faze who have not yet figured out what a bad career choice they have made.

2. Pilots who are actively trying to leave but have not received the phone call to be paroled yet.

3. Pilots who have been hired elsewhere and are waiting for their class to start.

4. Pilots within five years until retirement who know it doesn't make sense to start all over with such little time left in their career.


I fit into group number two, which is by far, the largest group at Atlas. Those considering Atlas can just ignore the vast majority of the pilots on APC who are warning them to stay away from this place and they will join the ranks of the group two pilots soon. I will see you at the breakfast table in the morning and endure your complaining as if you were never warned.

Bonus points if he's one of the breakfast geniuses who complain the union "isn't doing enough" but has yet to volunteer for anything.

Can you elaborate on point number 1? What's more aweful than working at a regional? How can you lambast someone for going to Atlas to broaden their resume?

When you haven't seen your kids for 17 days, you're getting extended 3 more days, it's a 3 leg 20 hour day through Africa, and scheduling calls with a blatant cba violation, you start to see how a 3 day at the old regional wasn't so bad for the same pay. Add in the fact that you never get a leg and the execs remind you daily that you're not important or worth half as much as the guy flying the plane parked next to you and good times ensue.

As for the building the resume side of it, I haven't seen that it helps. I've got a ton of PIC time and I am a 74 captain and my old RJ buddies are getting called before me. My ACMI stink needs better cologne to cover it up at the job fairs apparently🙈.

Or stay and fight for a better contract that you deserve and have earned!
If management can take 66 million in bonuses last year they can afford to pay the pilots industry average wages

Only a complete management tool thinks the answer is to just leave! How would any pilot group get a better contract if they did not fight for it?

You could fight for a better contract, or you could apply at K4 if you don't have much time invested.

JonnyKnoxville and CargoPirate,

Thanks for once again proving my point. Instead of offering up advice and allowing someone to make their own decisions you guys resort to name calling (psychologically unstable, management tool) those that don't agree with you.

And I highly doubt that a few internet warriors here on APC can be mistaken for the "vast majority".

And if you don't think that International, Heavy time doesn't help your resume, ask those that have left for UPS and FedEx.

Once again you prove that you are a tool.

Wow. Three posts in and you have it all figured out. Actually, 99.7% of Atlas pilots who voted indicated that we are ready to go on strike because of management's actions including their refusal to complete contract negotiations. I'd say that is a vast majority.

Please do more homework on Atlas and try to look past the "heavy international" eye candy that looks so delicious. What we're trying to say here is that this company is a really, really bad bet for your career.

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Just trying to understand what your telling people. So after your company gets a new contract you will be leaving due to a bad career choice?

If it's the contract management wants, YES.

The company is suing the pilot group to prevent us from negotiating a new contract that we can vote on. IF they win, this place will be worse than any airline in U.S. airline industry, past or present. The company will have effectively beaten the Railway Labor Act. They will be able to dictate terms to us and there is nothing we will be able to do about it. They will have gained this power, not only for this contract, but for all future contracts too.

So, yes, we are all leaving if they win the lawsuit against the pilots. The only pilots here that say otherwise simply do not understand the gravity of the situation we are in yet. They too will be heading out the door once the light bulb turns on.

How would you like to work for an airline where your union never gets to fairly negotiate a contract?

How would you like to work for an airline where you never get to vote on a contract and all contractual terms are dictated to you by management?

How would you like to work for an airline where you will never be able to strike if need be?

You can earn the long haul intl. T shirt at K4 for better money on the 747 or 767, better work rules, less days worked , true home basing , and no imputed income , they are actively hiring. Best of luck to all especially our brothers in arms at Atlas.

Will you quit if you don't have another flying job lined up? It's easy to boast that I'll burn the house down and leave while you have a job, it's another thing totally to just walk away and be left unemployed.

If Atlas management wins the lawsuit, do you think the other 1224 carriers would support a sympathy strike and/or give you preferential interviews if you do decide to quit?

What do you think the chances of Atlas management winning the lawsuit?

Good luck to your pilot group.

Preferential interviews. NO

Interviews. Yes

Strike NO

But even the young RJ guys won't come to Atlas in high numbers if we don't get a decent contract.

People are coming to Atlas based on the reputation THEY HAD. Not on the current facts of the situation. We are trying to get the real and current facts out in the open.

Management Tools are trying to disrupt that effort and confuse the situation so the message is muddled.

Unfortunately the only way we can get management to the table is if they can't fill the seats. If that happens then they either shrink the airline drastically or they actually bargain a new contract.

Another aspect worth considering:

"This week, we resume the fight against the company’s underhanded attempt to change the CBA strike language. On Thursday, April 13, a hearing with Arbitrator Kasher takes place in Washington, DC. As you may recall from previous messages, after more than five years, Atlas and the rest of the DHL carriers in Local 1224, have simultaneously and in concert mounted an attempt to prevent another strike by any one of the DHL contractor properties. It is a clear signal of bad intent towards labor by DHL management and the puppet contractors Atlas Air, Southern Air, and ABX that they manipulate. We will keep you up to date as this anti-labor tactic unfolds here at Atlas. Purchase management clearly prefers to handcuff labor to further delay any type of true negotiation."

www.ATLASFACTS.org

Cargo World
 

If you still don't know what we're trying to tell you, then nothing I can say will help you at this point.

Virtually every Atlas pilot posting on these boards has the same message: Atlas BAD.

You can argue semantics and the outsiders point of view all you want, but ours is the message from inside. We can't stop you from applying at Atlas if you choose to ignore our warnings, but I think the message is pretty clear.

747 and 767 captains are leaving Atlas.

From October to the current seniority list, there have been 8 new hire classes and a total net gain of 8 pilots.

We are being sued by the company.

Our right to honor picket lines has been taken to court in an effort to weaken our union.

If you still don't understand, you aren't paying attention.

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Funny thing... Not many airlines fly cargo 747s.... UPS...

Are you insinuating that our pilots are happy right now? 99.6% strike vote a year ago BEFORE they sued us, passed the amendable date without a single negotiating session, saw K4 get a new contract AND tried to arbitrate away our right to refuse to cross a picket line....

Now our leadership is getting 2 phone calls a day of guys asking how to resign!

Yeah... When you get here please don't be a new hire that complains about the probationary pay and how much it's hurting your family. First year pay is worse than a regional right now and there is no flow through. You know right off the bat that this isn't a permanent move so you will hemorrhage money while you spend 3 or 4 years changing jobs.

Don't forget new hires. You will have imputed income for all you travel to and from your base. You will also pay for the hotels in bases as well. (Tax)(your not taxed if it's less then 18hrs.?)
My average has been about $200 to $400 a paycheck. So factor that into your budget at 50hrs guarantee @ $79 hr.
You really do not have much control over it. The company can and will sit you for days in R2. (Reserve) So you could have a hefty tax bill if your base has expensive hotels and flights!

I know a guy who got a bill who was having to hoof it up to ANC during the Summer and sit Reserve on first year... He owed Uncle Sam for the privilege of working at Atlas.

Globemaster, why do you have to be such a pessimist? That pilot got a vacation to ANC in the summer and got to fly a 747. What do you expect, Atlas to actually have to pay him for such a privilege? I think not, vacations cost money even if you can't bring your family with you.


People on this forum have just gotten so negative lately and I just can't understand why. :D

How to resign? Well there's a few options. The most popular that come to mind is:
A. You provide a written letter addressed to the chief pilot or equivalent that states you're terminating your employment effective in 2 weeks while thanking them for providing you a job.
Or
B. You throw your ID like a Chinese throwing star at the chief pilots face while kicking over his trash can (don't recommend this option although it would be such a stress relief)

You were sitting there when he told the story, so you know I'm not BSing...

It's gotten so bad that the union put out a resignation checklist. It tells you not to do "B" because you won't get paid your vacation on the way out the door. As for resignations... There's going to be a big one this week that's going to draw a little attention.

MEC of 1224 perhaps?

It won't be that big. It has the potential to be extremely entertaining... My guess is that it comes tomorrow, but if it were to come on Thursday it'd be great...