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Old 03-30-2018, 06:16 PM
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Why do you guys always try to scare away the new people going into Atlas? if its so bad why don't u leave instead of suffering over there? It's like you are scared the young and fresh come in and take your jobs away from you.

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Empty classes equals more leverage.
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Old 03-30-2018, 07:27 PM
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Why do you guys always try to scare away the new people going into Atlas? if its so bad why don't u leave instead of suffering over there? It's like you are scared the young and fresh come in and take your jobs away from you.

what's going on?
And, when the pilot group at a seniority-based airline STILL advise you to stay away then you know there really IS a dumpster fire behind all the smoke. Instead of your feeble attempt at ridicule you should be thanking them.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:44 PM
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Why do you guys always try to scare away the new people going into Atlas? if its so bad why don't u leave instead of suffering over there? It's like you are scared the young and fresh come in and take your jobs away from you.

what's going on?
An 18 year 747 Captain put in his 2 weeks notice on Sunday. I’ll finish my career in the top 15 at Atlas, I’m a 747 Captain, and I’ve got apps in at FedEx, UPS, American, Delta, United, Southwest, and I’m considerining Spirit. Make your own choice but consider this prior to starting your first 4 months at $1600 a month followed by your 50 hour guarantees.
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Old 03-30-2018, 10:21 PM
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An 18 year 747 Captain put in his 2 weeks notice on Sunday. I’ll finish my career in the top 15 at Atlas, I’m a 747 Captain, and I’ve got apps in at FedEx, UPS, American, Delta, United, Southwest, and I’m considerining Spirit. Make your own choice but consider this prior to starting your first 4 months at $1600 a month followed by your 50 hour guarantees.
What’s your annual earnings?
Do you have a degree?
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Old 03-31-2018, 05:18 AM
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What’s your annual earnings?
Do you have a degree?
Let’s put it this way. There is a serious discussion is our upgrade class about if it’s worth it to take the new Envoy offer of direct entry captain because you’d make a lot more money...
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Old 03-31-2018, 06:22 AM
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What’s your annual earnings?
Do you have a degree?
About $160k as a 7 year 747 Captain. That’s a few days extra, but nothing crazy. It’s also flying hostile. 2nd year Pay at UPS, FedEx and Delta would be more for FAR less work. I need better work rules and a retirement more than the pay and the pay is absolutely horrible.

I do have the degree.

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Old 03-31-2018, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Froggy View Post
Let’s put it this way. There is a serious discussion is our upgrade class about if it’s worth it to take the new Envoy offer of direct entry captain because you’d make a lot more money...
I can actually see 767 guys doing that because they never break guarantee.
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Old 03-31-2018, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
I can actually see 767 guys doing that because they never break guarantee.
The best way to break 62 hours on the 767 is to sit reserve and believe me, you will rot away in wonderful places like BWI, SCK, and ONT for a better part of 17 days to do it.

Look, if you are needing PIC time Envoy actually does make sense because you will log way more time and get to your final destination faster than sitting at Atlas for 300 hours a year and a bit of abuse. Heavy time isn't the resume booster it once was...unfortunately very evident in my current position.
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Old 03-31-2018, 09:27 AM
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Type certificate is a -800. Model is a -8. But you knew that, right?
Check it : A20WE.pdf
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Old 03-31-2018, 09:55 AM
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The best way to break 62 hours on the 767 is to sit reserve and believe me, you will rot away in wonderful places like BWI, SCK, and ONT for a better part of 17 days to do it.

Look, if you are needing PIC time Envoy actually does make sense because you will log way more time and get to your final destination faster than sitting at Atlas for 300 hours a year and a bit of abuse. Heavy time isn't the resume booster it once was...unfortunately very evident in my current position.
I never break 62 hours. The guys sitting 17 days get 80 hours. You literally rot away. Day after day. Then on day 17 get extended for 3 more days. 21 days away. 45k per year
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