Southern air
 

Now hiring ! More planes on the way.

62 hour min pay
80 bucks an hour.
Night flying

Come on over ASAP. We need you !!!

I was told min guarantee 1st year is 50 hours...Has something changed? Also how firm is the "more planes on the way"?

50 hours for 5 months. Then 62.

More planes. It's the airlines. That's how MGMT gets new hires. The CARROT

If you need me that bad can I get my seniority and longevity back from when I was furloughed after only eight months on property and then offered a recall two years later with a pay cut?!
That should put me at year seven pay.

Don’t bother. You didn’t burn bridges you nuked them! Good luck in your future endeavors.

Boeingdvr is punking everyone.

And you had to create a new username you were so disliked. Here we are...
And it wasn’t a serious question. Seven years on property would put me a 737 captain flying min guarantee making less than I make now as a regional captain on second year pay. What a joke.

Nope I lost my previous account. Haven’t you gotten your dream job yet? Wasn’t it FDX and now SWA or is it Delta? I mean come on it’s owed to you isn’t it? You shouldn’t have to stick with one job that’s less than ideal. You should just get hired right at the top because you are Potatochip and deserve special treatment. Furloughs unfortunately are part of this career.

My point is if you had followed the normal pilot pathway you probably would be at one of your dream jobs. Lots of Southern pilots hired after you have done just that. You jump from one airline to another and get no where.

You sir are a poor career decision maker

You are obviously clueless. Thank you for the laugh, though.
There’s a reason I’ve avoided Southern threads, and you are a part of it. I’m glad to know you’ve been following me around APC, though, good to know you can’t let me go.

I’ve just been curious how things have worked out for you. My answer: as expected.

Let's go. We need you in class for 1200 bucks a month for 5 months. Then living large at 62 hours an 80 bucks and hour.

We don't break 62 around here. 1/2 day = 1/2 pay. Bring it !

It is 50 hours for guarantee.

First year pay, expect to make: $38,240
Second and Third year pay, expect to make: $59,222
(no raise from 2nd to 3rd year)

Accumulation of flight hours is minimal with 200 hours of flight time on average a year.

The FB Live Q&A from last week said 777 pilots fly ~80 hours a month.

Is that accurate at all?

Possible since they are out 20 days a month but no upgrades in sight and still crap pay of $80/hr with a whopping pay raise at year 2 to $92 bucks an hour flying a 777 around the globe in circles. You can get $113/hr at Omni to start.

Southern is literally the worst paying job out there. Absolute bottom of the barrel. Unless 4 DUIs are preventing you from going anywhere else I would stay away.

Yes !! 80 hours. That's less than what you will Credit flying a CRJ-900 @ Mesa Airlines.

We need you to come here- fly a 20 day trip around the world ( 3 times ) flying HAZMAT, making DHL / Atlas Billions, and in return they will give you 80 credit hour at 80 bucks an hour!!!

Class starts Monday. !!

Pay and climate
 

So I read tons of neg posts... makes Southern 777 opportunity look pretty concerning.... straight scoop please...

Am I to understand you can get paid less than Min-G (62 hours)? How does that work....

I am at a regional getting maybe 45 -55 Hours a month after losing flights to displacement etc.... I feel like flying a 777 at rates that appear much higher than regional FO pay would be a great opportunity... But reading posts makes it seem like that’s a very wrong thought on my end!

I am military and need more Turbine time to be competitive at what I feel would be my desired career airlines...I would like to get some Cargo experience as I truly believe I would prefer nights and straight trips 15-17 days rather than broken 4 on 2-3 off with passengers.... but again.... everyone seems to be so Neg about this... inputs please; real data...

First year guarantee is 50 hours.

The pay rates may look better but the details of the contract absolutely kill the pay. Almost everyone who came from the regionals, myself included, had a significantly better contract at the regionals.

One of many examples:

We do not have bid line protection. So, I could bid a 80 hour line and maybe get awarded it. Once awarded, my schedule changes, as they often do, and I now am scheduled to fly 65 hours. I would only get paid for my new schedule.

The only money you can count on under this CBA is guarantee. 50 hours for first year, 62 hours for every year after. Budgeting for anything more than that will leave you very disappointed.

B777 will build you time. B737 will be the kiss of death. A few short legs where you will build 200-300 hours a year at most.

Great info. Thank you....

Still more than I get paid at Regional but I understand your point...

With military experience you are overqualified for Southern, even if it’s not jet experience. How many DUIs do you have? There’s a 3 DUI minimum to apply.

Maybe you should step away from the keyboard and actually say that face to face to a Southern pilot!

Expect to be gone for 40 days straight at Southern. It happens sometimes.

Why not go to Omni or Kalitta? They get paid wayyy more and Kalitta loves hiring military guys. They're also only gone 16 or 17 days a month. ATI and NAC also get paid a lot more and have better schedules. There are just so many better options.

And then of course there's Allegiant, Spirit, Frontier and probably more that I can't think of right now that all have better schedules and get paid a lot more. Those would all be great choices that would get you to your career destination.

Let’s not leave Home Depot, Lowe’s and being a Walmart greeter out of the equation. All of which would be better choices than Southern.

You should probably stick to info about ABX.

I'm not sure about Southern 777, but Atlas 747/767 or Southern 737 you will fly less than you are now.

Some of the regionals are flying a lot...look into switching regionals and taking the bonus for doing so...

I'm pretty sure that wasn't a slight towards the Southern guys. Others have said as much about Atlas and I didn't take offense.

Jack is simply saying that Southern's pay and working conditions are so poor that qualified pilots usually head for better jobs at reputable airlines.

Good points; thanks to everyone who is posting legit responses... anyone replying as a 777 guy at southern? Would be interested in knowing how many hours you are getting...

No, not time build.... I would like to fly larger aircraft internationally... I would like to compare the differences between ACMI / Cargo world and my current passenger flying world. At the same time If the hours and pay is more than I am getting now it seems like an opportunity... but again, I am researching and honestly asking questions to hear opinions.... Thanks for sharing thoughts

Funny how no one understands the sarcasm in this thread. You guys need to lighten up.

Do your really think that all the negative things discussed in this thread have changed in a little over a month?

Southern - It is what it is. Will never get better. Never has, never will. It will only get worse. Crew shortages mean that life will only get more miserable. I have already been called at home on days off. They attempted to involuntarily assign me a trip that would chew up my remaining 5-6 days off, which would put me right back on the road for the scheduled trip with no break whatsoever. What's to learn in that?

Married? Family? Not after a turn at SAI.

SAI is not ACMI anymore. It used to be fun when it was. Right now it is one contract, constantly going to the same places over and over. 14+ hour legs, which your are not going to get a lot of experience on. It will be a battle to keep current on your landings. What you will learn is how to sleep on an aircraft, how to get minimal rest when you land - maybe. When you do get a chance to get a longer layover in Hong Kong you will learn how to get your freak on in Wan Chai, get p**s drunk, and put your marriage in jeopardy.

When crews meet the first question to each other is "Did you get any sleep?". No joke.

As to the DUI reference - obviously a joke, you know back to that sarcasm thing. Just remember there is always a bit of truth behind a joke. You can read into that whatever way you want, hic!

it wasn’t about the 73. My dream since I was a kid was to be a 737 CA. I love the 73. The issue is, it’s not what I applied for and when the pay was discussed, I just about choked on my coffee. 50hr guarantee at $80/hr? Whoa.

Thanks Diesel8. Appreciate the inputs.

Don’t lump everyone else into your self induced, pathetic, misery. In the last 6 months you’ve received a substantial raise, improvements in work rules, and in a few more months you’ll be working less days.

Yes, Southern pilots got an increase from the worst contract in the industry to the worst contract in the industry. What I don't understand is why anyone with the worst contact in the industry would be on here actively working against their own pilot group by trying to make it sound like it ain't so bad?

Wow. My post got reported for racism? Lol. It was a jab at the lack of professionalism. Nothing more. Bunch a snowflakes.

Mods, feel free to delete my account from this site. Would hate for anyone else to get offended.

They won't delete your account. I tried a few years back.

Well that sucks. I can’t find the option in my profile, either. Oh well. Just as easy to not log in anymore, I guess.

And just to clarify to the snowflakes...


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a tool typically used for chopping wood, usually a steel blade attached at a right angle to a wooden handle.
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a musical instrument, especially one played by a jazz or rock musician.
verb
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end, cancel, or dismiss suddenly and ruthlessly.
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cut or strike with an axe, especially violently or destructively.
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say something in order to obtain an answer or some information.
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synonyms: inquire (of), query, want to know, question, put a question to, interrogate, quiz, cross-question, cross-examine, catechize; More
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request (someone) to do or give something.
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a request, especially for a donation.
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So many pilots are still offended with “your”, “you’re” and “there”, “they’re” and “their” but if someone points out axe vs ask, it’s racist? Hahaha. Pardon me for expecting more professionalism from a profession that claims to be full of professionals. Get over yourselves.

Are you an Atlas pilot? Are you still here? Regionals are hiring. My QOL here is infinity better than the regional I left and so is the pay. For a young dude this place isn’t that bad, and a good place to hang while you wait for purple and brown. YMMV

And just to call you out for the obvious racial undertones in your initial post (which I did not report but was hard to avoid seeing since I'm not blind).

Bet you misuse the word lift, boot, bonnet, trunk, etc. in daily use due to where you were raised you filthy colonial. Mickey Ds is waiting for you... you'll be a great fit.

Maybe he was referring to his favorite body spray?