Ytd atlas !!!
 

4 year 767 FO

Looks like I'll end the year at $72,500 large. No OT, and most months at 62 hours (vacation, training, sick, ).

Did I mention we are hiring ???

Congratulations.

6 year CA 767 looking at about $117k for the year with only about 5k of that above guarantee.... :mad:

No retirement, terrible benefits, below average wages, toxic work environment, hostile management, need I say more.

The management group has sued their pilots twice in one year, how many companies sue their employees?

The management team wants to amalgamate the Southern and Atlas contracts, therefore there will be no say so or vote on a new contract, the company will dictate to the Atlas Southern pilot group their futures and destiny, the pilots will have no say so in the matter.

Very sad, during the best of times in the industry, the company does not share their profits with their employees.

There are better jobs out there.

2nd year FO at K4, maybe 10 days of OT for the year, gross 168.7k, I think I have one more check coming? Others have done MUCH better than I. We are hiring.

Unless ur hourly is 200$ an hour then U must be flying ur a... off

Well 16 days a month averaging maybe 90+ hours, plus 10 additional days spread out over the year @1.5xpay, plus $1000/month perdiem.

90 hours @ $124.10 = $134028
50 hours OT @ $186.15 = $9307
$1000/mo perdiem which is pessimistic?

$155,300

The math is close and another $13k is possible depending on the 16 day trip credits particularly.

Pilotcontracts.org

Well 90+ is one flying their a.. off so its doable

The math is not really that close. But I’d be curious to see the actual breakdown.

Just finished first yr FO k4 at $120k, so I could see 168k 2nd yr very possible

you guys that count per diem as wages are crazy. it's not wages!

Why? Are you coming over? If that is the reason then don’t. The merry go round will stop in a couple of years and everybody will go back to 70 hour months with not a lot of OT. Right now we have a pilot who worked for it but is over 600k a few over 500k and a bigger group over 400. I would guess that the average Captain is well over 300 this year.

Why am I curious? Because he tossed out a big number, and someone did the math @90hr/month + and came up 13k short even including per diem.

I just crunched a few basic numbers.
As a 12 year captain who does NOT work days off, I grossed 286.6 this year, and that does not include perdiem. Nor does that include the 10,000 into my retirement. I also took January off for vacation. I won't even come close to breaking guarantee in December. I actually flew right at 700 hours for the year. That equates to about 409/hr. Y'all can crunch the numbers anyway you want, but thats what I made. It ain't Purple or Brown pay, but I don't need that to feel good about myself. This is the most I have ever made. I am completely debt free.
There are many that enjoy working more than I, but l work to enjoy life.I don't live to work.
Is this the best job going? No. But it's much better than many.

Happy New Year to everyone. Merry Christmas to All, and to all a good night.

For clarification these numbers must be Kalitta, not Atlas as in the thread title.

I would agree, that needs to be removed unless you take a giant Yeti cooler on your trips.:D

"For clarification these numbers must be Kalitta, not Atlas as in the thread title."

Sorry, I forgot what thread i was on.....

However, There were some comments about some Kalitta stuff.



Merry Christmas to all.

The pay is where it should be. These salary numbers are the same as FedEx and UPS thus making Kalitta a great alternative career.

Believe it or don’t believe it. He is right and you are wrong. Are you the IRS? BTW that is a very little number at K4 this year. This year and I think next (hopefully) year are anomaly’s. Within 3 or 4 years we will be looking at Atlas as the highest paying. Then someone else.

Just to compare the numbers from the Connie pilot, I'm a 10 year 747 Captain, will be right at 174.4 with an additional 7.4 matched into the 401k. No open time, averaged about an extra 10 hours above guarantee a month due to the rig.

I will chime in... 8 year K4 CA/747, 266k, 10K 401k match, 12k per diem.... 3 days of OT took 3 weeks of Vacation.

11 year 747 CA.

Projected gross approximately $190K.

4 days of over time.

This place sux...

This ^^^
Breath of fresh air, thank you for posting.

He does not work for Atlas. He is at K4.

It is impossible to make $289K at Atlas without working the OT system to the fullest.

TiredAsoul......really......that's pathetic.

You’re helping them more than you’re helping yourself. We have precious little opportunity under the RLA to exert pressure. Every OT picked up is a lifeline they desperately require and a detriment to the pilot group as a whole.

How do you know that it was voluntary?

You’re right, I don’t. My apologies for making that assumption.
I’ve been involuntarily extended 4 days over the last two months on reserve. That’s not something I would simply categorize as ‘overtime,’ but I suppose that’s mostly a difference in semantics.

I see what you did there.
All we get from you is vitriolic puss and moan about Atlas.
Why don’t you leave?

Cos I never thought of that until you just mentioned it. Thanks for the suggestion, I'm off to Delfedups next week. I just wish you had told me a couple of years ago. Thanks man.

For guys that want to leave, the chance is there.

FDX has been taking a fair amount of Atlas guys, and I don’t think it’s exclusive to the 767 pilots.

Some things of note: an unofficial but very strong rumor is You “have” to update your app often, like once a month often, or the computer won’t even pull your file for an interview. I find this parameter to be absurd, but an HR person told a friend of mine who was hired at FDX trecently that this is indeed the case.

The same HR person also said that 200+ hours heavy jet time is a big plus and that FDX is “running out of those kinds of applicants”. I did not get a clarification if that only meant 200+ PIC heavy time or if SIC heavy was also a big +.

But I’m assuming you got your 1000+ PIC turbine prior to getting on Atlas, so as long as you have that, a 4 year degreee from a “real” University, clean record (no DUI, unexplainable violation, etc ) and play the “update every month” game with with FDX computer system, you have a good shot at getting called?

The reality is you probably fly the 747. Although the pay rates are the same at K4 the hours are vastly different between the airframes. The 767 pilots make guarantee unless they do overtime while the 747 guys can routinely make 20 to 40 hours above guarantee without overtime. If we are going to compare, let’s compare apples to apples.

What do you mean compare apples? Nobody is under any illusion that this will continue indefinitely. It is what it is. The thing that most people from the outside miss, because it is hard to translate it to writing is quality of life. The quality of life has always been vastly superior at K4 than any other airline I have worked at. I have worked at some very good QOL airlines. MaxJet and USA3000 to name a few. It is not all about the money for me and I am biased.

I thought I was being pretty fair. You are right, the 767 is typically just 64 hours at k4. Atlas has 747 too though.

I posted the link to pilotcontracts.org if anyone wants to dig deeper.

The thread started with Atlas 767 guys talking about their situation. Then some K4 chimed in with how much more they made. I am sure all of it is accurate. The only point I want to make is if you are flying a 767, 757, or 737 domestically for either DHL or Amazon at ABX, ATI, Atlas, Kalitta or Southern you are making min guarantee unless you fly overtime/days off. The high hour, big dollar opportunities are only in the large international flying such as done in the 747.

I’m happy the K4 guys are doing well. You just can’t compare what a 747 pilot makes to what a 767 guy makes because the opportunity to accumulate hours is totally different.

117k plus 6.1k matched in to my 401k. 8th year 767 CA. Atlas wins again, I can thank them for making my decision to move to greener pastures ASAP very easy.

Think about this, because it's true.....Many departures are around 04:00-09:00z. If you commute the company makes you be in position 10 hours prior to duty on (90 minutes prior to departure). This means you either take a 6am flight from home to be in position for a 2am departure that night, or you come in the evening before and actually sleep. When you come in the night before you have now given up two days off. Do that twice per month, you now have given the company 21 days, oh, but they can extend you 3 days. now they have you for 24 days. There are many lines where you truly only have 6 to 7 real days off. Say what you may, but this is a fact, especially on the 767, and especially in the ONT crew base.

I have to laugh at their cheesy adverts for the job fair open house they are hosting January 17th. The catchline in the the advert is "Endless Skies". It's about right, it's like prison in the sky with a few days of supervised release every month.

Why are you all discussing how much money you DON'T make compared to the rest of the Industry?


You're proud of that fact ?


It's like a Reverse D!ck Measuring contest...


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STK

I believe the idea is to point out to people thinking of coming here the reality of what they're getting into v. what HR is telling them.

I think most of us aspire to have much more than what MaxJet and USA3000 have to offer. It's awesome that you are happy and with the current contract K4 has and I could see being happy as an extremely senior 747 Captain who loved to fly and didn't mind being gone all the time. In that scenario I'd be ok.

Most of us see MaxJet and USA3000 as places you work to get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. We want Industry Standard Retirements, opportunities to sit Reserve and not get abused, and to have families.... All while making what the others at the top of our profession make.

2nd year OAI... 152.2k with 30 days OT... we didn't get the new contract till May. 345 hours for the year. Spent 135 days off/vacation and another 20-30 at home on reserve.