Typical schedule-Atlas Air
 

Without this turning into a bashing contest about Atlas, would someone, preferably newer, be so kind to post their typical schedule for the month on the 767? I hear they're based out of Ontario Ca. these days if I've heard right. Thanks

Wait, let me get a twelve pack from my fridge in the garage for the responses to this one.

Those collectively pulling down another extra $500K+ for FPL more in 2018 +donated MED leave for services rendered here will probably have a field day with this one.

Don't get me wrong, we have our problems and Delta/UPS/FEDEX would be the first choice in anyone's book. Just pointing out that the company and union each have their own PR campaigns going on here.

And this pertains to the question how?

Anyone else?

He is actually taking your side and telling you to prepare for the union supporters to start showing up.

I find myself somewhere between the two ends of the spectrum in union vs company, and the picture still isn’t rosy for the 76 schedule.

There are literally hundreds of pages of info on Atlas, including schedules. Given the current situation over there, reading them might be more useful to you than dropping a new thread and casually demanding "no bashing". I mean provided you're not a troll.

No, not a troll. But thanks for your concern. Since dropping a thread has ruffled you a bit, how about dropping a link to a typical schedule.

The Atlas hiring thread is in the "Hiring News" forum. Do yourself a favor and go back about 3 years and read the whole thing. You'll be up to speed.

3 on 5 off. 38 hour layovers in Paris.

Sounds like good current info, I'll get right on that:rolleyes:

I was legitimately trying to help you dude...... Sounds like you won't lift a finger to help yourself. I'm sure somebody will be by shortly to do your thinking for you.

ROFLMFAO

Where do I sign up for this, and can I pay the company to do it? ;)

If this was anywhere close to the truth, they'd be way more people interested in the job.

And you won't lift a finger to help him.

There are THOUSANDS of posts on Atlas. Many filled with bad information, anger, and silliness.

Sometimes a quick summary and a new thread would help to clarify the information.

We all know that there are threads and posts online.
We don't need you kind of help.

I was interested in Atlas a couple years ago. I started at the beginning of the Atlas hiring thread. It morphs from painting the company as a semi-desirable company to work for to it's current state. Along the way was a wealth of information on schedules, work rules, QOL. The transition from semi-desirable to miserable began about 3 years ago....so I was trying to save the guy some time. Not something that's going to be summarized in a single post. If a guy is interested in a company.....where you may be employed for a period of a couple years to the rest of your career.....it is well worth the read. I was proposing that he do the same. It's several days worth of reading...but worth the time considering the impact it would have on a person's career/life.

But my $0.02 isn't appreciated. So I'll answer the original question. Schedule is 17 days....typically in a row. Travel on days off.

Amazon bag-tags coming!

New 767 pilots can either get 17 days straight or get about 7-10 on with 7-10 off.

Sounds good. I'll stand by for an answer.

Much appreciate the info. Thank you..

17 days the company owns you. If you are commuting - plan on 19 days.

If you are on RSV plan on 22 days- you will be extended 3 days ( no option to deny the trip )

If you fail bidding it’s possible to work 40 days in a row.

Just because your working- doesn’t mean your breaking min 62 hours of pay. 1/2 day equals 1/2 pay.

Been here 4 years. FO on the 76- and it’s very rare I break 62 hours.

Typical schedule-Atlas Air
 

Sounds horrible, I’m sure schedules like that destroy’s families!

Are you staying for a career? Jumping ship laterally to other ACMI’s? Have apps out to LLC’s?

If schedule so horrible and family so important, why are many of you staying? What are the attrition numbers like (if published)? Data must exist.

In the four years that he’s been here probably close to 800 people have quit. The turnover at this place is staggering. The company hires 24 guys every three weeks and has for years now and the list is basically the same size it’s been since 2016.

Nobody that comes now considers this a career airline. Most guys I fly with have apps out and are doing job fairs and have interviews lined up.

One thing that can trap guys is the small amount of flying on certain fleets like 737 767. If you come here with not a ton of time bc let’s face it that’s who we are hiring now you’ll be looking at 200-300 hrs per year so it could take a while to get out if that’s your plan.

Well, Atlas could be a "diamond in the rough" like K4 was right before the new contract, IF your contract IS right around the corner.

Omni was the same way before they got their new contract. Hopefully, the Atlas pilots will be the same soon.

This is the frustrating part. I have been here 12 years now and have been a 74 CA for almost 4 years. Those who can leave, and are in an earlier stage of their career, are leaving. But for many of us, leaving is easier said than done.

Almost everyone will tell you that they enjoy the actual job, but the lies and abuse from management, including the absolute refusal to negotiate a fair contract that would stop the bleeding and allow Atlas Air to capture market share, has reached suicidal levels and left most of us shaking our heads.

Everything is punitive at Atlas. I average about 70 hours a month. The only way to make any real money here is work a lot of overtime. But you have to be able to get the overtime which comes and goes in waves.

The pilots are viewed as the enemy by Bill and John which is why we have a toxic work culture here. We will be lucky if we don't kill more people before it is all said and done.

The crazy thing is that pilots come to this site and hear all this, but somehow don't believe it.

Atlas could be one of the best jobs in aviation if only for a fair contract. Many of us are going to have to ride it out one way or another.

Nobody expects everyone to be in a position to leave.

Some strong people need to stick around to fight the 'good fight'.

Atlas was built on the back of guys like shrugged here. And when it came time to pay up the company chose to litigate and stall instead of negotiate fairly and this is the mess we are in now.

I am also worried about the lasting legacy this protracted labor dispute will leave. Guys with 4-5 yrs on property came in with tons of experience from other carriers and have now all upgraded , but as they steadily flow from the left seat to other jobs the newest captains will have less and less. I’m sure most are sharp and will be fine but for many this will be their first pic experience. You just don’t get good at flying doing this kind of work. If they didn’t get some good hands on Time from where they came I don’t know how they will get it now.

I can't speak to the 767 or ONT, but please do yourself the favor of reading up on the current situation at Atlas. The main thread is on the Hiring section here on APC. You should be able to make up your own mind by doing that research. It's very extensive and informative.

In my personal experience of 7+ years at Atlas, my opinion is that there will not be a new contract anytime in the next several years. Hoping there will be one will not change the way management operates. JMHO

Right now I’m sitting at top %40 in company. Very senior on the jet. Live in base, work the system. It is what it is. Trying to get out ASAP.

I'm listening. With only 7 years left before 65 to get back into this just for an adventure, doesn't sound worth the headaches. Much appreciate your insight. As well as to others who posted productive information. Currentlly work a non flying gig as an avionics tech home every night, mediocre money but sustainable. Had a great flying gig for 19 years but got furloughed a few years back. Best to just be appreciative for the good memories but no longer obtainable at my age. Thank you again...

Any particular reason you're focused on Atlas? Kalitta and Omni have similar schedules but MUCH better contracts.

The money isn’t nearly as good at Atlas but it’s more laid back and chill.

In all honesty, only because I was offered an interview. Don't even have an offer. Probably won't hear from Kalitta or Omni because of my lack of F/W specific time. Loads of helo time which is useless. Also looking at regional stuff but Atlas had the Ontario base which was doable from SAN. SKW has a base but pretty senior. Just looking more at QOL options since rebuilding a career at this age is a loss.

Can't speak for Kalitta but there was a guy in my class at Omni who was mostly military helo. I think he had done some time in a King Air at some point as well, and maybe a little bit of biz jet time. Just a data point.

Being based anywhere - hardly means anything @ Atlas. I’m based in CVG - and can’t remember the last time I actually started or ended a pattern there.

You could very easily bid a 17 day r2 line in base, and they call you up and say- Hey catch the freighter to Nartia your sitting R2 for 17 days there. One of the perks of Atlas. You don’t get to choose- you’re merely guiding an out of control tracker trailer until
Your days off.

This is very true.

You're more marketable than you think. As someone said earlier, morale here is very low. Due to a number of factors within our corporate culture, we aren't an organization that's capable of adjusting operations or training to new realities. There's a whole discussion which can be had as to why this is the case. So, as another post said, we could kill you. Literally.

There are other airlines, especially those which give you flow that would love to have you. Flow sometimes takes over a decade, but you can think of it as a form of career insurance. Living in base is wonderful, but having a future is much more important.

Much appreciate your info. I only have 7 years left in the 121 world so flow isn't much of an option with most regionals. Flying and QOL with out taking to much of a hit in pay initially our pretty much the highest priorities. Flying a shiny big jet is also a bit appealing but can go either way with that. Especially with the circumstances quoted above.

That's pretty funny right there.. Info to consider that I never thought of. Base assignment means nothing. R2? Reserve? Thank you..

Sounds similar to my past other than all civilian. Had also looked at 135 again with a CE500 type but not many use it anymore. Now mostly CE525. Appreciate your response..

Omni likes military guys, and it’s pretty much the only way in with lower TT.

Management doesn’t fly with you and neither does the Union.
Management doesn’t spend downtime with you and neither does the Union.
The “toxic” atmosphere is created by the people that can only talk about 3 subjects and it’s all cry and moan.
Luckily more often then not you’re flying with a crew that reminds you what this job is about: getting the airplane from over here to over there the safest way possible and having the most fun while doing it.