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MiracleMets 05-11-2019 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by kme9418 (Post 2818212)
I left there as an FO a little over a year ago. My seniority at the time could have held 747 CA. I was hired in 2013 as a C-5 IP and my typical classmates were C-5/C-17/KC-10 IPs or former MD-11/747 ACMI guys. When I left in 2018, the typical new hire was a regional FO with 0 TPIC. One of the reasons I left is because the risk to my license was getting too high. I did not want to be put into a position where I was "single pilot" as the SHTF going into Africa or Asia at night in the weather with someone with zero heavy international experience and the bare mins to get an ATP as my FO.

No, the reason you left is because you were hired by American. Hey Mr. C5 IP. How many times did your SIC in your C5 show up with 1500 hours, especially 1500 hours of heavy international time? Were you expected to teach guys with a couple hundred hours to fly it? Probably. How many times did you fly to Afghanistan in ****ty weather for one day at the end of the month, rolling into the next month, getting both months tax free? I bet you didn't complain then. Just because a regional FO doesn't have TPIC time doesn't make him worthless. You don't deserve to be the PIC of any aircraft unless you can do the entire flight "single pilot". That is what you get paid the big bucks for. Be a leader, be a teacher, be a role model and pay it forward to those who come behind you. I bet you were a great officer.

Sorry. Your post sounded really selfish and whiney.

navigatro 05-11-2019 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by MiracleMets (Post 2818248)
No, the reason you left is because you were hired by American. Hey Mr. C5 IP. How many times did your SIC in your C5 show up with 1500 hours, especially 1500 hours of heavy international time? Were you expected to teach guys with a couple hundred hours to fly it? Probably. How many times did you fly to Afghanistan in ****ty weather for one day at the end of the month, rolling into the next month, getting both months tax free? I bet you didn't complain then. Just because a regional FO doesn't have TPIC time doesn't make him worthless. You don't deserve to be the PIC of any aircraft unless you can do the entire flight "single pilot". That is what you get paid the big bucks for. Be a leader, be a teacher, be a role model and pay it forward to those who come behind you. I bet you were a great officer.

Sorry. Your post sounded really selfish and whiney.


you sound jealous. somebody didn't make the cut to be a military pilot.

dogo 05-11-2019 09:44 AM

Hire unskilled pilots.....high failure rates

fiftyone 05-11-2019 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by MiracleMets (Post 2818248)
No, the reason you left is because you were hired by American. Hey Mr. C5 IP. How many times did your SIC in your C5 show up with 1500 hours, especially 1500 hours of heavy international time? Were you expected to teach guys with a couple hundred hours to fly it? Probably. How many times did you fly to Afghanistan in ****ty weather for one day at the end of the month, rolling into the next month, getting both months tax free? I bet you didn't complain then. Just because a regional FO doesn't have TPIC time doesn't make him worthless. You don't deserve to be the PIC of any aircraft unless you can do the entire flight "single pilot". That is what you get paid the big bucks for. Be a leader, be a teacher, be a role model and pay it forward to those who come behind you. I bet you were a great officer.

Sorry. Your post sounded really selfish and whiney.

Wow! No dog in this fight other than looking forward to the day things turn around for the Atlas pilot group, but as a former USAF enlisted aircrew, you make a good point!

CaptDave 05-11-2019 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by JackStraw (Post 2818054)
They can’t spare any sim time for interviewees due to all the remedial training being given. F

Hahahaha. Truth right here.

lgaflyer 05-11-2019 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Whale Driver (Post 2817330)
How exactly are we supposed to figure this out? Atlas kicked the pilot group out of the interview process, which was excellent BTW. HR hires the pilots and that begs the question, What do they know about hiring pilots? No logbook review, no sim ride, and judging from recent history - no PRIA review either.

What makes you think Atlas "kick the pilot group out of the interview process"? I interviewed with Atlas. As with all interview, there was a technical interview conducted by a retired 747 captain who is an instructor in the training department

lgaflyer 05-11-2019 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by JackStraw (Post 2817453)
Management stooges does not equal the pilot group. The interests are conflicted. You should stick to lurking.

And just exactly how would the "pilot group" hire pilots comparing to management? They hire their buddies even though they have 5 DUIs and felony convictions?

JonnyKnoxville 05-11-2019 04:19 PM

Too funny! You guys crack me up. So, pilots on the seniority list (union pilots) used to be a very important part of the interview and hiring process.

As things got more toxic a few years ago, the pilots were kicked out of the process. The only "pilots" allowed in the process now are chief pilots (management) and retired pilots that management knows won't rock the boat.

captjns 05-11-2019 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by kme9418 (Post 2818212)
I left there as an FO a little over a year ago. My seniority at the time could have held 747 CA. I was hired in 2013 as a C-5 IP and my typical classmates were C-5/C-17/KC-10 IPs or former MD-11/747 ACMI guys. When I left in 2018, the typical new hire was a regional FO with 0 TPIC. One of the reasons I left is because the risk to my license was getting too high. I did not want to be put into a position where I was "single pilot" as the SHTF going into Africa or Asia at night in the weather with someone with zero heavy international experience and the bare mins to get an ATP as my FO.

Well hey little buddy... Mommy and Daddy must be real proud of your with all the Alpha Numerics.... cuz nobody really gives a rats a$$. Go put your license in a glass case and do what ever gets your rocks off with those letters and numbers on your certificate.

JackStraw 05-11-2019 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by lgaflyer (Post 2818463)
And just exactly how would the "pilot group" hire pilots comparing to management? They hire their buddies even though they have 5 DUIs and felony convictions?

The opposite actually, and I’m glad you brought that up. Management follows orders. It’s no secret that they’ve been ordered to hire pilots who would have a difficult time being hired at more desirable airlines. So your 5 DUI scenario pilot would have a better chance getting hired if he were interviewed by a management pilot. Thanks.


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