Originally Posted by Itsajob
(Post 2982367)
Without 1,000 PIC and a 4 year degree, you stand almost no chance of getting hired at a major. Build time quickly at the regionals, get to the 6,000+ hour range that seems to be marketable, and make sure you have a 4 year degree. Stay away from any ACMI company until you’re already highly marketable at the majors. Once you can check all of the boxes, reevaluate the ACMI market if that is somewhere you want to go. Until then, your only focus should be quickly building a quality resume.
What a difference a half decade makes. |
Originally Posted by Aussiee3pilot
(Post 2982932)
I'm curious why you think Southern is getting rid of the 737 program? There has been no talk of that...
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Originally Posted by gringo
(Post 2982993)
Not sure what year your calendar reads, but I’m sitting here in 2020 watching the Legacies practically handing out jobs left and right to 23 year olds, with none of them having any PIC time...
What a difference a half decade makes. You can act like it doesn't matter if you want but unless you are a minority or the Chief Pilot's son don't expect a call without it. NOTE... I'm not trying to start a different argument... Just stating the facts on what HR hired from places I've worked. |
Originally Posted by gringo
(Post 2982993)
Not sure what year your calendar reads, but I’m sitting here in 2020 watching the Legacies practically handing out jobs left and right to 23 year olds, with none of them having any PIC time...
What a difference a half decade makes. |
Fair enough. My point was there’s far more kids getting hired into the legacies today with zero PIC time and just barely above minimums. Five years ago it was practically unheard of, now it appears to be routine. I know of a few that parked themselves at Spirit just barely long enough to get hired by Delta and United, with qualifications not even remotely close to what’s “recommended”, whatever that means.
I mean, how many Masters Degrees does it take to fly an Airbus, anyways? |
Originally Posted by gringo
(Post 2983520)
Fair enough. My point was there’s far more kids getting hired into the legacies today with zero PIC time and just barely above minimums. Five years ago it was practically unheard of, now it appears to be routine. I know of a few that parked themselves at Spirit just barely long enough to get hired by Delta and United, with qualifications not even remotely close to what’s “recommended”, whatever that means.
I mean, how many Masters Degrees does it take to fly an Airbus, anyways? As to the Masters, you don’t need one, but it does takes a 4 year degree to fly an Airbus at a legacy. They are really hung up on the degree. A 3,000 hour rj f/o with a degree stands a better chance of getting hired than a 15,000 hour 747 captain without one. It’s just what it is. If someone doesn’t want to meet the requirements, they shouldn’t complain about their outcome. |
Originally Posted by gringo
(Post 2983520)
Fair enough. My point was there’s far more kids getting hired into the legacies today with zero PIC time and just barely above minimums. Five years ago it was practically unheard of, now it appears to be routine. I know of a few that parked themselves at Spirit just barely long enough to get hired by Delta and United, with qualifications not even remotely close to what’s “recommended”, whatever that means.
I mean, how many Masters Degrees does it take to fly an Airbus, anyways? 1. Military Instructors and up 2. Regional Instructors and up 3. ACMI Captains with Boeing, MD, and Airbus Types or FOs who got their 1000 PIC at a Regional prior to coming 4. Diverse Resumes - NOT Instructors and up BUT with Maybe PIC in an MD and a Boeing (this was me...) 5. Minorities/Chief Pilot's kids - This is the only group that might not check the "1000 PIC" box but in all honesty even most of these hires check it. All of these would have 1000 PIC with the exception of a small percentage of one group. All would have 4 year Degrees. A master's degree is nice and might get you a stray point but it's just not what's putting you over the top. I don't have a Master's and if I had to guess most of the new hire class that I was in did not have it. All of them fit into one of the first 4 categories listed above. Some fit into multiple. I fit into two of them. Almost 3. If you want to get a call you need to beef up your resume in the ****pit. |
I know for a fact you can be just a normal regional CA with no IP/LCA time and get called by the big 5. Plenty of people in that category getting calls and almost all have 500-1000 PIC. (1-2 year CAs)
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Originally Posted by Hogcapt
(Post 2982216)
Please tell me that it hasn't gotten so bad that Southern would consider someone with 1800 TT in the right seat of the 777?
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Originally Posted by MoarAlpha
(Post 2984054)
I know for a fact you can be just a normal regional CA with no IP/LCA time and get called by the big 5. Plenty of people in that category getting calls and almost all have 500-1000 PIC. (1-2 year CAs)
I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Your odds are small with a resume like that. I do think that IF you get to 1000 PIC that you will get a call though because the resumes that I listed have to be drying up. I don't think you have a shot camping out in the Right seat. |
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