Elevation

There is also reason we vote separately for stewards. I believe we do this so one group can check the other. Having a process to remove a steward entirely within the executive board undermines this.

Also if it's so unlikely that a stewards would have to check an executive member why NOT make it difficult to remove a steward?

Instead of getting complicated here's an idea:

What about having a general recall mechanism for any elected position? Instead of having additional pages of complex language that make more loopholes, a recall mechanism would address almost all of my concerns without having us rewrite every paragraph.

This isn't my idea but it's the simplest solution to a lot of problems.

I dont know what concern trolling is. Is that when I build people's concerns, use their concerns or dismiss their concerns?

RyeMex

Personally, I'm very much in favor of adding language which provides for some mechanism for the membership to recall / dismiss members of the E-board. I think that this is especially important given the exceptional powers that the bylaws in their proposed form grant to the President. The idea that once someone is elected they are in for 3 years regardless seems as though it would divorce the E-board from any real accountability to the general membership. This would particularly be the case at an airline such as ours which has, historically, had such broad turnover on the seniority list.

The fact of the matter is, none of us has any idea who the next President / members of the E-board will be. While we all hope that they will be people that we can trust to always act in our best interests and with the utmost integrity, the only way to ensure this is to allow for the general membership to have a voice to dismiss any E-board member who is found to not hold up to these standards. Now, I also don't believe that we should be a Union that is led by mob-rule. There is a place for the Executive to be insulated from us temperamental pilots. Therefore, I would propose something like a 60% or 67% threshold which the membership would need to meet in order to remove a member of the E-board.

TiredSoul

73.7%
74.7%
76.7%
77.7%?

Birdsmash

I see what you did. Haha

iPilot

This is not a bicameral legislature. Stewards do not provide a check against the executive members. You are way over thinking this.

DC8DRIVER

Are folks really lining up to knock the doors down just to get at those juicy Steward positions?? This pilot group is lucky to have people with the talent, passion, and generosity to volunteer for what is usually a fairly thankless but incredibly vital job. Letting one go must be the result of a fairly significant problem.

White Cap

Word. The job is very stressful, and I am happy that we have people doing the work. Maybe 7-8 years ago, a steward had to be removed for some actions that were contradictory to our CBA. So these things have happened.

Elevation

Maybe I am?

Elevation

Yeah. I don't want to take away the exco's ability to remlove a steward either.

I actually think a recall system for any elected official would address many of my concerns here.

av8n

Deuteronomy 5:6 King James Version (KJV)

6 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.